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Deborah-Leigh:
Lets talk about this please.

Compare Judas.....He did not deny that he knew Jesus... he  betrayed Him. I think he will be in the second death. Is this presumptuous? Am I being judgemental? I heard Ray say (Ref Mobile Conference ) and as I understood, that King David will be in the second death Lake of Fire because he was not converted and in his dying breath asked that the blood of his enemies be spilled....Not Christ-like at all!... ;D...

Compare Peter...He denied that he knew Jesus but did not betray Him as Judus had done.( Does this then explain what backsliding is do you think?)....After acquiring the knowledge of the Truth,  Judas  deliberatedly went to betray Christ? This brings to  mind that knowledge of the Truth is no guarantee for salvation!....It is not sufficient to know Jesus we have to be like Jesus!

The difference between the many called and the chosen few as I understand it,  is FAITHFULNESS not knowledge....Our faith is therefore tested is it not?....and is "more precious than gold...."....

How do you see this?



Arcturus. :)

hillsbororiver:
Hi Arcturus,

No, I think it is a safe bet Judas will experience the second death, more surprisingly (to me at least when it was first revealed) is so will John the Baptist.

Mat 11:11  Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Only those who came after the death and resurrection of Jesus have the New Covenant, the better Promise.

Judas betrayal had more to do with his lust of being in an earthly kingdom led by a conquering earthly messiah rather than a hatred of Jesus or a need for a quick 30 bucks.

Judas did not have a clue as to our Lord's meaning when He stated repeatedly that His Kingdom was not of this earth, Judas believed he could force the hand of Jesus, get Him to use the supernatural powers at His disposal (Judas probably witnessed thousands of miracles) to throw off Rome and set up an earthly kingdom. When Judas realized this wasn't going to happen he promptly hung himself.

Judas did not hate Jesus, he did not believe His Words, thought he knew better, wanted earthly gain, the things of this world, the praise of men, he wanted power and authority, he was pure carnality.

Interesting topic.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe     

buddyjc:
Don't ya'll know that Judas is the Anti-Christ?  At least that's what I heard a pastor say.  He believed Judas would be reincarnated in the future to become the anti-christ.  They'll believe anything!  Anyway, I would think that Judas will have to go through the second death, but then again, we all have to go through the 'second death.'  Know what I mean? 

Brian

Deborah-Leigh:
Joe

This is a MAJOR revelation!   Some questions I would like you to answer please.

 Does the Father of faith, Abraham , Gods friend also go to the second death? Do the Prophets, Elija, Elisha Moses join in the second death too?

 I know Jesus refered to Servants (Hirelings) and Sons (Heirs) Are the Servants OT and the Heirs NT?

I have fastened my seat belt to get ready for your answer. I do not mind being blown away!...again!

Your description of Judas rings true in my heart especially as Ray points out that Judas kissed Jesus pationately as his identifying kiss that was not a peck on the cheak.

Thank you for sharing what you know.

Arcturus  :)

Kat:
Hi Arcturus,

I think one thing that must be considered here,
is that neither Peter nor Judas had been given the Spirit at that time.
It was not until after His resurrection,
that they received the Holy Spirit and their eyes were opened to understand the truth.

Joh 16:13  When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

Act 15:8  God, who knows everyone's heart, showed them he approved by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he did to us.
v.9  He made no distinction between them and us, because he cleansed their hearts by faith.  v.11  We certainly believe that it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ that we are saved, just as they are."

Eph 2:8  For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

Christ must be in you, as you must be in Him, to be one of the chosen elect.

Col 1:27  God did this because he wanted you Gentiles to understand his wonderful and glorious mystery. And the mystery is that Christ lives in you, and he is your hope of sharing in God's glory.

1Pe 5:10  After you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who called you in Christ Jesus to his eternal glory, will restore you, establish you, strengthen you, and support you.

Hope I helped with these scripture.

mercy, peace, and love
Kat

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