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Hebrews 12
Deborah-Leigh:
Good coaching!
Since all these old-timers are now looking down from their stadium seats, shouting our names like we're their heroes, let's kick off the stuff that's tripping us up, let's untie the mess that weighs us down and let's run! Let's channel our stamina reserves and run the race we've been entered for. Let's focus our minds on Jesus, who made us, who coached us; He's there at the finishing line. He went through the hell of execution; He stomached total humiliation so he could take His place in the top office of heaven. While you're running, lock your mind on to Him and the pain barriers He pushed through, the blockades, put up by messed-up men that he had to dive through. Lock on to Him and fatigue won't touch you, you'll have that deep inner belief, and you'll keep going. HOW BAD'S IT BEEN? HAVE YOU DRAWN BLOOD YET?
Treat these hassles like a good workout. God's just being a Dad. Every son knows how Dad's try and knock off our rough edges. If He doesn't bother (and they all do), then maybe you're not His! We've all had human dads who've stood up to us and we've respected them for it later. So times that by a hundred to show how we've got to take in what our spiritual Father says. Our dads did their best to knock us into shape and God coaches us so we might stand out like he's outstanding. I'm not saying you'll enjoy it! It'll probably be a rough ride. But it'll build your fitness, and later you'll see the good things that you couldn't have done without it. You'll sense the satisfaction it brings. We're signing up for God's's Permanent New World package. So let's show some gratitude.Let's work for Him out of respect for who He is. Like Moses said, "Our God is a raging forest fire."
FINAL TIPS ON LIFESTYLE - LOVE, HOSPITALITY, PRISON VISITS, DECENT MARRIAGES, SIMPLE LIVING, RESPECT FOR LEADERS, STRAIGHT COACHING, ASKING GOD TO SUPPORT OTHERS.
God's generosity rub off on all you guys. (Rob Lacey. The Word on the Street) ;D
The only part I do not go along with in the above translation is "these old timers looking down from their stadium seats"...We all know they are dead, don't we ;D ;D...that their story is alive for our admonition :D
Arcturus..... :)
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Andy MI
Your question: Could the cloud of witnesses be the whole world watching us....
This question is thoughtful and important Andy. The answer lies in Chapter 11 where Paul names the witnesses, Cain and Abel vs 4, Enoch vs 5, Noah vs 7, Abraham vs 8 and so on and so on....and this is not to say that your insight is not valid....I am sure the world does watch and hate us ;D
Arcturus :D
Deborah-Leigh:
Kat
Lacey's translation says Christ is in His (CHRIST'S) place, in the top office (AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER) of heaven.
He said "We're signing up for God's permanent New World package" That is mans perception not actually how it is! See Ray's letter 2 James Kennedy for clarification on the difference between THE RELATIVE and THE ABSOLUTE.
You incorrectly write. "It's just not something you would want to go by at all." No Kat, wrong again!
Arcturus :)
Andy_MI:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on November 01, 2006, 05:25:57 PM ---Hi Andy MI
Your question: Could the cloud of witnesses be the whole world watching us....
This question is thoughtful and important Andy. The answer lies in Chapter 11 where Paul names the witnesses, Cain and Abel vs 4, Enoch vs 5, Noah vs 7, Abraham vs 8 and so on and so on....and this is not to say that your insight is not valid....I am sure the world does watch and hate us ;D
Arcturus :D
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Hi Arcturus,
Thank you for showing me that truth. I was looking at that form a totally different direction. I had to meditate on it for a while and then I could see it. Thanks again. May God bless you!
Peace,
Andy
joyful1:
:) Hi guys--
just for the fun of it...I emailed the Lockman Foundation about "eternities of the eternities" a while back...I just got their reply tonight...my question & their reply follows:
To: nasb@lockman.org
Subject: QUESTION?
Hello--
I've copied below, verses from a post of a friend in a forum that I visit. He claims that this is your AMP version of these verses? I have a question about them...
ARE THESE PARTICULAR VERSES translated directly from the Greek or did you use the Latin in any way shape or form to translate/transliterate/or interpret these verses? We are particularly interested in the words: eternities of the eternities? Thank you!
Sincerely,
Joyce
Gal 1:5 AMP
(5) To Him [be ascribed all] the glory through all the ages of the ages and the eternities of the eternities! Amen (so be it).
Phi 4:20 AMP
(20) To our God and Father be glory forever and ever (through the endless eternities of the eternities). Amen (so be it).
1Th 4:17 AMP
(17) Then we, the living ones who remain [on the earth], shall simultaneously be caught up along with [the resurrected dead] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so always (through the eternity of the eternities) we shall be with the Lord!
Their reply:
Thank you for your interest in the Amplified Bible.
In response to your inquiry:
"and the eternities of the eternities!" is an amplification and not part of the original Greek. In the Amplified Bible an italic "and" and parentheses means the phrase or words is an amplification. The Greek work in the New American Standard Bible is translated "forevermore". The translators of the Amplified Bible used many works for reference but we do not know specifically if they used the Latin. If they did there would likely be a footnote regarding it.
Hope this is helpful.
In His Service,
Carole Holdinski
The Lockman Foundation
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