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Question about Judas
PKnowler:
--- Quote from: Dan.ng on October 31, 2006, 11:57:21 PM ---Hi Paula,
Below is a similiar question on Mark 14:21 & reply by Mr Ray Smith for your info. Hope that it is useful.
Hi
I'm curious to know what your views are on Mark 14:21 where it says that it would have been better for Judas Iscariot if he had never been born.
Traditionally I have always been taught that this means that he went to a place so horrible that it would have been better that he wasnt even born and that this place is Hell.
If his punishment isnt eternal or lengthy but just to be burned in a lake of fire a death that would only take a few seconds or minutes at the most why would the Lord say the above.
I'd like to know what your views are on Mark 14: 21.
I'm approaching this with an open mind and only telling you what I've been taught.
Yours Yiannis.
Dear Yiannis:
I have answered this question many times in the past. My time is short now, So I will make this quick: This verse does NOT say that it would have been better for Judas if Judas had never been born. This is a King James translation problem.
The King James reveres the order of words as found in the Greek manuscripts in the last part of this verse:
Here is how it reads in the manuscripts:
"The Son of man indeed goes as it is written of HIM [Who is 'Him?' Why, the Son of man] but woe to THAT MAN [Who is 'that man?' Why, Judas] by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good [or 'ideal'] were it for HIM [The Son of man, NOT, Judas. The manuscripts put 'HIM' before 'that man'] if THAT MAN had never been born."
So here is what is being said: "...woe be to Judas by whom Jesus is betrayed. Ideal were it for Jesus if Judas had never been born."
God be with you,
Ray
--- End quote ---
This is what I have heard before (not from Ray though) and it seems to me a twisting of scripture to make it fit. But reading it the way Ray puts it seems to make sense. On second thought I think it was "Ideal were it for Judas if Jesus had never been born" that I had a problem with.
What Ray wrote makes sense "Ideal were it for Jesus if Judas had never been born" beause of the suffering Jesus was going to go through in His flesh. Jesus DID pray to His Father to take this cup from Him.
Ray has a way of answering scripture that helps you SEE IT!
Thanks, Paula
jamesnw:
Thanks Layla! :) I had no idea that that software (scripture4all) existed! :) Very nice, I can very quickly see what the original meaning was. I especilly like how the word "born" is said to mean "'WAS-generatED", hehehe. ;D
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi WildOlive
I had the time to study that article. Thank you. It brought me particular comfort because it helped me understand things I needed to understand.
Arcturus :)
pstrevnglstchrls:
To understand Judas one must first dove into the sons of perdition.
mick24458:
Whatever the answer, what a terrible judgement he will have, facing the full implications of the choice that he made. Perhaps it would be better that he had never been born. I pray that when I stand before the Lord, he has already purged me of all uncleanliness and I hear the words, "Well done good and faithful servant!" To this end let us all work and leave Judas's judgement to the Judge.
1 Cor 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts.
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