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THE REAL ORIGIN OF SIN

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hillsbororiver:
Hello Layla,

Thanks for the comments and I also thought your post was appropriate as well.

Gary,

I remember in an earlier thread (can't remember which one) when you mentioned how darkness came before light and night before day, and how the Sabbath typified this by beginning at sundown. All foreshadowing how we begin our spiritual lives in darkness and come to the Light, which is Him.That was truly a "eureka!" moment for me.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe

Deborah-Leigh:
(Isa 45:7)  Forming light, and preparing darkness, Making peace, and preparing evil, I am Jehovah, doing all these things.'

I like that Gary..... 8)

This is a happy thread.... :D

Thank you Joe

Arcturus :)

jamesnw:

--- Quote ---Now listen carefully. Here is wisdom beyond its years. When a scientist creates an experiment or machine that malfunctions, is he responsible for the malfunction? Yes. Does he hold the experiment or machine responsible? No. Does he hold God responsible? No. Okay.
--- End quote ---

I was discussing this analogy with someone and realized that the analogy is a little weak. The idea is that God created man subject to vanity, on purpose. If man makes a machine, it is made to work, not to fail. A "malfunction" cannot be equated to something that was designed subject to vanity on purpose.

Perhaps a better analogy would be, “When a scientist creates an experiment or machine that depends on him to do anything worth while, knowing that the machine will “fall short” based on the design, is the scientist responsible for the machine if it goes on its own an fails without him? Yes. Does he hold the experiment or machine responsible? No [because it was designed that way]. Does he hold God responsible? No. Okay.”

Just a thought.  ;)

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello James

I have taken your point....quote....“When a scientist creates an experiment or machine that depends on him to do anything worth while, knowing that the machine will “fall short” based on the design, is the scientist responsible for the machine if it goes on its own an fails without him? Yes. Does he hold the experiment or machine responsible? No [because it was designed that way]. Does he hold God responsible? No. Okay.”...unquote.

I have traced onto this observation the following.....When GOD (not the scientist) creates MAN (not an experiement :D ) who depends on HIM to do anything worth while, knowing that MAN will fall short (of the Glory  8) ) based on GODS design, is GOD responsible for MAN if he goes on his own and fails without him? Yes. Does he...(he meaning either God or man...not sure which one you mean so taking both.  a) Does he (as man) hold God responsible? (No. Christian Theologians try to take God off the proverbial hook...See Rays Critique of scond letter to Jame Kennedy refs....theologians try to make man responsible ::) ) or b) Does He (as God) hold man responsible. (No)...or the machine (Gods design) responsible. God does not hold his design responsible because He is the designer and He made his design according to His purpose that is perfect. So Gods design is perfect for Gods purpose that is to make man into the image of His Son Jesus Christ and to have many Sons and Daughters. Does man hold God responsible. (Those who have eyes do. Those who are trying to blame shift to man don't see that God is responsible and that man is accountable!) ;D   I have learn't through Ray's study this and am still learning and appreciating this more and more that....Heb 4:13 And not a creature exists that is concealed from His sight, but all things are open and exposed naked and defenseless to the eyes of Him with Whom we have to do. 8)

I can not think up a suitable analogy for that one! :D

Peace

 :)

jamesnw:
Nice. :)

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