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Relative v/s Absolute
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Kat and Prosizz
This is really good (relative :D...only God is good...."good"... my point of view ;D
Kat I once had e-sword on my computor and it took up too much space so I erased it! I am very grateful for the imput. I can see now that you tried to encourage me to get e-sword. I am going to copy your post and ponder it some more. These truths are wisdom seeds. Your contribution brings color to this jewel Ray uncovered for us all to comprehend, nurture and value. I am glad you have grasped it. I am still not quite there yet....I have a way to go still and that is why I posted this....(relatively speaking ;D...God is causing this!...All love to Him!)
Prosizz...just look how God is working in you! Thank you for sharing that! I feel excited when I am shown how God removes veils of darkness off our eyes to see His light and truth more clearly. I enjoyed the deeper insight you expressed that God is the cause behind those who contradict. .... that every knee will bow in the end... :D
Arcturus :)
Deborah-Leigh:
I have been chewing on the concept Relative v/s Absolute and have come up with this so far.......
As I am coming to understand what Ray has written in his 2nd letter to James Kennedy, I read the following…the relative is from man’s point of view. The absolute is God’s declaration. Ray shows us that the relative and the absolute in scripture does not contradict.
I could not figure this out at first. How can man not contradict God? Well that is just it you see. Man can contradict God but GODS SCRIPTURES do not contradict God. We CONTRADICT GOD all the time!…(some more some less)… and it is important to discern this correctly, because Ray follows this up with his understanding and insight where Ray says that Theologians make high (mans point of view) and low what is high (Gods declaration). Ray says that this does not glorify God and I am starting to now see why!
I looked up what relative means from the Collins English Dictionary.
It states that relative has meaning or significance only in relation to something else. When this English translation is applied to Scripture, for me that means relative (mans point of view) has meaning or significance ONLY in relation to Gods declaration. For me, this fits!
What is astounding to see here is theologians make void what God says to carry over what THEY say…MAKING HIGH WHAT IS LOW AND LOW WHAT IS HIGH. Ray says that Theologians insist that relative truths nullify God’s absolute declarations. Theologians retain the relative and reject the absolute.
For me this illustrates the widespread and gross mis-use and outright abuse of the Scriptures. As I am starting to understand this now, I feel that anywhere I see scriptures being used in debate to show right what is wrong and wrong what is right is defamation and blasphemy of Gods holy character, nature. Spirit, love and light.
This makes me understand never to use Gods scriptures in contest with other scriptures to show contradiction. The scriptures do not contradict! They all are written relative to God and that is what makes their words pure and holy spirit and truth.
I am going to make very sure in future and to try my level best to discern which scriptures are relative (written for the benefit of man) ….relative to God, and which are absolute (God’s sovereign declaration). I know only God can give me this insight and I thank Him for starting to show me. This following scripture takes on new meaning for me relative to God who is good not evil, who is light not darkness and who is sweet not bitter!….
Isaiah 5 : 20…Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!……
Arcturus :)...studying :D
Kat:
Hi Arctutus,
Thanks for your continued efforts to expiain this subject.
I think I am really beginning to understand it now.
If I say, "My house is too small." That is true only in a relative sense,
because it may not be true or too small to someone else.
Now if I say, "God does not live in a house made with hands." This is absolute statement, as Acts 7: 48 proves, because as you said, "the absolute is God's declaration."
Act 7:48 "Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says,"
This is a simple analogy, but it woks for my understanding this.
So now I can be more confident as I discern the scripture, as you said,
--- Quote ---I am going to make very sure in future and to try my level best to discern which scriptures are relative (written for the benefit of man) ….relative to God, and which are absolute (God’s sovereign declaration).
--- End quote ---
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Kat
I am so glad you share with me the value of this precious jewel that Ray has given us.
I appreciate your examples because they make it easier for me to grasp as well.
I am pondering this now.... "relative (mans point of view) has meaning or significance ONLY in relation to Gods declaration. For me, this fits!........."
Does this mean that....mans point of view if it bears NO RELATION with Gods declaration, then that point of view is of no significance or meaning......Like the earth if flat. Opinion. Man evolves from the big bang. No meaning. The earth is round. Truth.
Thank you for sharing your insights Kat
Arcturus :)
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