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cherokee:
--- Quote ---Infants are raised in physical bodies...then they grow & mature into adults who will have carnal minds (seeing they are still of the flesh). Then their judgment begins when they learn to repent of their carnal heart & mind.
Infants are carnal in nature...though they are unaware of this, their focus is themselves...always. They don't care how tired their mom is, weary their dad is...when they want something, that's all that matters. That's carnal, plain & simple.
Try this letter from Ray regarding resurrected bodies: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7474.0.html
Marques
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Here is a quote from a email that adds to what Marques posted.
--- Quote ---In the case with children we are told: "There shall be no more thence
an infant of days, nor an old man that has not filled his days: for the
child shall die [spiritually die to his carnal mind purged through judgment] an hundred years old; but the sinner being an an hundred years old [and not yet purged of his carnal mind through judgment] shall be accursed [until he IS thoroughly purged]" (Isa. 65:20).
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Here is the link to the email: http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,201.0.html
Infant:(from Strong's) H5764-a babe: sucking child, infant, also from H5763-A primitive root; to suckle, that is, give milk:-milch, (ewe great) with young.
Hope this helps.
Suzie
EKnight:
Hi Suzie,
Your email link and definition of "infant" seem to be speaking of the "spiritual minor" and not necessarily the physical or natural infant. And that I understand.
The following scripture seems to clarify things a little:
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting [eonian] life, and some to shame [rebuke, reproach, disgrace] and everlasting [eonian] contempt [repulsion, aversion, abhorrence].
From the above, I can see the wicked vs. the elect. What I don't see is why an infant (some of whom were not even born alive) would be subject to this "shame,reproach,disgrace,contempt, aversion, abhorrence.
Marques, this is what I see you are saying (correct me if I am wrong).
1. Infants die in and out of the womb having never experienced any chastisement qualifying them as Elect.
If ever given the chance, they would have sinned and therefore are subject to the LOF.
2. AFTER they are resurrected, they must "physically" and "spritually" mature.
They will be resurrected with a physical body that will physically grow and they will
learn or experience the sinful nature that they will then have to repent of?
3. They go to the WTJ/LOF where they do this repenting.
4. They are now worthy of the Kingdom and enter with a spiritual body and purified of all carnality?
Bear with me while I try to grasp this.
Eileen
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: EKnight on April 20, 2009, 08:39:00 AM ---Marques, this is what I see you are saying (correct me if I am wrong).
1. Infants die in and out of the womb having never experienced any chastisement qualifying them as Elect.
If ever given the chance, they would have sinned and therefore are subject to the LOF.
2. AFTER they are resurrected, they must "physically" and "spritually" mature.
They will be resurrected with a physical body that will physically grow and they will
learn or experience the sinful nature that they will then have to repent of?
3. They go to the WTJ/LOF where they do this repenting.
4. They are now worthy of the Kingdom and enter with a spiritual body and purified of all carnality?
Bear with me while I try to grasp this.
Eileen
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Correct
Marques
Kat:
Hi Eileen,
Just something I thought to add. When Christ returns to reign and rule it will be to this earth.
Rev 5:10 and hast made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on earth.
The whole earth will be subject to Him, so in reality the LOF will consist of the whole earth. Only the Elect will gain spiritual Life. The rest will be brought back to physical life and cast onto the earth/LOF to learn to live righteous through living a second physical life and this is the second death to them.
Rev 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death."
Christ and the Elect will be ruling and maybe at first forcing the world to conform. People will not be allowed to afflict evil on one another. Babies will be brought back to physical life too and raised up and go through the pulls of the flesh and carnality and have the learn righteousness as well.
This is just how I see it and thought it might help.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Marky Mark:
Email to ray; Hope it helps Eileen
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1883.0.html
Dear Wesley:
Man is mortal, so all mankiknd will and must die eventually. Even those "who are alive and remain) unto the coming of the Lord will be changed. In that sense, their old flesh body dies.
But we must also spiritually die to ourselves WHILE WE ARE STILL ALIVE. This only hapens to those who are "baptized in Christ," not baptized into water. Those who are "crucified with Christ." Those who are "begotten anew from above." Those who are made "a new creature," in the "Image of God's Son," etc. In other words only God's chosen elect few will experience these things in this life and be resurrection to immortality with a spiritual body in the first resurrection., The rest of humanity which has died once PHYSICALLY, will be resurrected in the second resurrection in which they too will have to spiritually die to their old carnal man and be made righteous (Isa. 26:9).
God be with you,
Ray
Peace...Mark
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