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YellowStone:
What a wonderful discussion :)
Isa 66:17
* They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
I am by no means a scholar, so please forgive my ignorance. :)
The above verse seems to have two main parts:
1. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh,
2. and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
So what/who is the abomination? It can only be those of the first part of this verse.
This then leaves those and the mouse shall be consumed together. I do not think that this verse in any way indicates that those of part 1 eat mice.
The 2nd witness to the fact that mice are unclean can be found at:
Lev 11:29
* These also [shall be] unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,
This of course does not answer the question of whether or not the flessh of swine is still considered unclean. Christ spoke of swine on more than one occasion; however, he never explicitly indicated that they were not to be eaten. Christ did not exactly paint a pleasant picture concerning pigs and by reading the Scripture below, one must make their own mind up concerning the cleanliness.
I for one do eat pork, ham and bacon. Am I going against God's will/plan. I do not believe so; however, I can only pray that his full discernment concerning this issue is given me at the time I need it. God has been ever so gracious to me, and though I am undeserving of his generosity, I know in my heart that I will be given what I need when I need it.
The words of Jesus concerning swine.
Mat 7:6
* Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Mat 8:30
* And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.
Mat 8:31
* So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
Mat 8:32
* And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.
Mar 5:11
* Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
Mar 5:12
* And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
Mar 5:13
* And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.
Mar 5:14
* And they that fed the swine fled, and told [it] in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.
Mar 5:16
* And they that saw [it] told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and [also] concerning the swine.
Luk 8:32
* And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them.
Luk 8:33
* Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.
Luk 15:15
* And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
Luk 15:16
* And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
chuckt:
holy smokes what a wonderfull study!!
i see that the word mouse could be acually spider, anyone have anything on this??
probably from the same as (05908) in the secondary sense of attacking
just thinking here, why mouse?
peace
chuck
Andy_MI:
are the gardens mentioned in Isaiah 66:17 the religuos institutions of the world?and the one tree is the so called leader of the institution? the swines flesh being falsified bible doctrine? the abomination is belief in a free will? and the mouse is the weak who are swallowed up by their doctrine? seen this on the message board and it got my curiosity up. thanks Richard-King NC
Richard:
But how are they being "sanctified" by "eating mice?" How are the religions of the world likened to a "garden?"
Ray
sansmile:
Hi,
Kat we (my hubby and i ) agree with what you see. With regard to the mice, the philistines in Samuel sent the ark back with their sin offering, which included 5 golden mice.
(1Sa 5:11) So they sent and gathered together all the lords of the Philistines, and said, Send away the ark of the God of Israel, and let it go again to his own place, that it slay us not, and our people: for there was a deadly destruction throughout all the city; the hand of God was very heavy there.
(1Sa 6:3) And they said, If ye send away the ark of the God of Israel, send it not empty; but in any wise return him a trespass offering: then ye shall be healed, and it shall be known to you why his hand is not removed from you.
(1Sa 6:4) Then said they, What shall be the trespass offering which we shall return to him? They answered, Five golden emerods, and five golden mice, according to the number of the lords of the Philistines: for one plague was on you all, and on your lords.
1Sa 6:5) Wherefore ye shall make images of your emerods, and images of your mice that mar the land; and ye shall give glory unto the God of Israel: peradventure he will lighten his hand from off you, and from off your gods, and from off your land.
These mice where images, like false idols.
Also, serpents eat mice (vermin) and satan was the serpent in the Garden. But where is the synagogue of satan?.......in the churches.
This all links in to Revelation 19 when Jesus comes back.
Also, i see them, when they are behind the tree, that this is the churches hiding behind the cross, when they know not Him. Gnawing away like mice, on their fleshly desires ?
Sansmile
M_Oliver:
--- Quote from: chuckt on November 22, 2006, 10:13:31 AM ---holy smokes what a wonderfull study!!
i see that the word mouse could be acually spider, anyone have anything on this??
probably from the same as (05908) in the secondary sense of attacking
just thinking here, why mouse?
peace
chuck
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Saw the same Chuck. Kind of has me scratching my head...
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