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where is the safe room ?
eutychus:
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I don't like creationism or ID, nether one set well with me. I believe that evolutionist is a weak scientific theory, but it the best we have right now. Evolution is a weak theory because it lack Data, and the evidence it does have is not as solid as it should be. All we have is the fossil record, and it is incomplete. At best the fossil record is a blunt tool. The fossil record allows to much politics and Dogma from all side to inter in to the debate. That said evoltion is a much better theory then either Creationism or ID.
I do not believe creation theory is scripturally sound. ID is not good science either. The reason why is you can not scientifically prove the existent of God and until you do you can't add God to nature philosophy. As a Christian I believe God is responsible for everything, but you don't see me crying, because every scientific theory does not include God. Life is no less or more miraculous then Gravity, thermodynamics, relativity, and any other physical effect.
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Greetings.
dang, depends on what angle you come from, there are differnt creationist
points of view. one is the 7 day, one is the gap theory, one is god working thru evolution, one is God created all men at one and then created adam, cain got his wife from people who where already here.
ID is the same what angle you come from? some beleive the big bang just happend, some beleive some ID is reponsible.
etc etc.
and what kind of hints does God give us from scripture? well i got a bunch.
the first one being God did it!!!!! ;-]
but that can be for another thread. if anyone wants to have an itellegnt
discussion i would love it , maybe i can learn more.and share what i have.
well just ramblin
peace
chuckt
eutychus:
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Do you enjoy causing Division and Strife?
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thats funny sorin, by this statment alone you do the same thing.
im 100% positive chrissie wants to see growth and maturity.
also :wink: by me responding to it i am guilty, so everyone forgive me.
had to edit this in :oops:
Sorin:
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--- Quote from: Sorin ---Chrissie,
Do you enjoy causing Division and Strife?
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thats funny sorin, by this statment alone you do the same thing.
im 100% positive chrissie wants to see growth and maturity.
also :wink: by me responding to it i am guilty, so everyone forgive me.
had to edit this in :oops:
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Chuck,
How about you let her answer her own questions?
when I'll ask you something then I'll expect you to answer.
Take care,
Sorin
eutychus:
your wish is my command
chrissiela:
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--- Quote from: Sorin ---Chrissie,
Do you enjoy causing Division and Strife?
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thats funny sorin, by this statment alone you do the same thing.
im 100% positive chrissie wants to see growth and maturity.
also :wink: by me responding to it i am guilty, so everyone forgive me.
had to edit this in :oops:
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Chuck,
How about you let her answer her own questions?
when I'll ask you something then I'll expect you to answer.
Take care,
Sorin
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Sorin,
You seems to have a problem with one person vouching for the character of another, unless they are vouching for yours. Why is that? If someone knows someone better than someone else and well enough to know a little something more about their character or demeanor, then why shouldn't they be allowed to speak up for that other person in the midst of others who don't? That, to me, is brotherly love.
I did not answer the question because my intentions are NOT to cause strife and division, Sorin. Yet, your 'question' seemed, to me, to be one to PROVOKE such.
I try, on occassion, to PROVOKE OTHERS to LOVE and understanding and peace, Sorin. No, I am not always successful - because some look to find fault with whatever is said and see only what they want to see. Not only in my posts, but in the posts of others. And the comments that are made are not always proper or necessary. This is evidenced by many of the locked threads. Those threads are not locked purely because of 'outsiders' or 'heretics'. Even those of like-mind are attacked by fellow brothers and sisters. Just look at what happened to Chuck the other day. And you wonder why he thought perhaps he was one of the ones that Frank was referring to?
He did not start the thread and he mentioned "Intelligent Design" (GOD) in his very first post in reference to the "Big Bang" but was accused of NOT believing in "Creation" and of "not being clear" and so further accused of "bringing it onto himself".
(I don't say that to reopen the discussion. Only to use as a recent example that should be fresh in everyone's minds. Please no one come here to reopen that discussion.)
I saw the comments that were made by Frank to Peacetroll on another thread and I could tell that there was a 'problem' there. And while I agree that Peacetroll has some very strange thoughts and ideas about the scriptures that are very foreign to what I would call the truth (Sorry peace, but true), I haven't seen him (or is it her?) be overtly disrepectful or over the top. And I have seen a lot of growth in Peacetroll and in the manner in which he posts over the time that he has been here. So shouldn't that give us some hope for him?
Not everyone (if anyone) comes to these truths overnight. But they certainly aren't being 'helped' to come to them if they cannot even see the LOVE that we have for them and for others... and for EACH OTHER.
We are to be known by the fruit of the spirit, Sorin. And if we abide IN HIM, then we abide in LOVE.
I was sinply trying to demonstarte to Frank that the majority of posters in this forum now are of like-mind and even some of those who are not are very close on many topics and not causing any problems.
It seemed to me (as he said so himself) that Frank was becoming overwhelmed... not by the 'majority' but by the 'minority'.
But because he is feeling so overwhelmed he is seeing what could be looked at as a much smaller problem (and be much more manageable to him) as a huge issue. I thought that if he realized that and could change his FOCUS a little bit that he would find this whole thing a lot more manageable and NOT feel so overwhelmed by it.
Sometimes we NEED people to come forward and say.... "Hey Stop!! and just take a minute.... take another look... maybe you can look at it differently... what about THIS??"
Is that not what we do with our very own children to teach them about how to manage "problems"? And even friends, relatives, co-workers, etc as we go through life and face various issues, problems and circumstances? Or see THEM facing problems and dealing with circumstances? ESPECIALLY when they become overwhelmed by them?
Sometimes it TAKES someone else's input and perspective to help you sort things out.
So no, Sorin I do not "enjoy causing division and strife". Nor do I think that I do that. If that is the "result" then I am sorry. If that is just simply all you "see", then you are wrong.
And I appreciate those who know me better KNOWING that my motivations are always sincere and my intentions are NEVER to cause strife or provoke others to anger. Thank you Chuck!!!
I have answered the question now. I hope my answer is clear. I have no desire or intention to turn this into an argument so I'm not going to comment any further.
Blessings to all of you. May we all be guided and direct by His spirit and be found abiding in His love.
And may Frank not continue to feel so overwhelmed and be able to come back and find and enjoy the fellowship that he longs for, here.
Chrissie
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