Satan - Saved or Reconciled - Is There a Difference?

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Andy_MI:
Hi everyone,

I wanted to start a new thread on this topic so as not to hijack the thread I started to post this on.

The burdon to find the truth on this matter is on my heart lately.

I know that the bible clearly tells us that "all men will be saved."

I also do not see the same promise given to Satan and the fallen angels.

I think the answer is defining what is salvation and for whom it applies and what is reconciliation on to what and whom this applies.

It is also possible that we are not given enough information in the scripture to come to understanding in this matter.

I am curious and am seeking input on this subject, if that's ok with you all.

I would like to not have this turn into a heated debate. I'm simply trying to get others insight into this.

Here are some quotes from the other thread where I started this quest.

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Darren wrote:

Hi Andy,

Great question but impossible to answer

It would appear that if God granted salvation to Satan, then satan would not have only deceived the world, but God also.

Peter pretty much speaks of what happens to Satan

2Pe 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Note that not even the fallen angels were spared.

I hope this helps.

Thanks,
Darren

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Arcturus wrote:

Hi Andy

This should nail it for you!....Kind of puts Satan in his place the way Ray answers this e-mail.

Enjoy!

Arcturus

Hello Brother Ray,

I read one of your email response dealing with God's supremacy.On this mail you stated that God created satan, uses satan, and that Satan too, will be saved after he has done all his dirty work. God will make him repent. Is there any Scriptural basis for this view?

I must confess that I find most of your articles very interesting and your teaching thought provoking.

Thank you so much for your effort in pumping out the truth.

God bless.

Remi
London. UK

Dear Remi:
First we must understand that Satan and his ministers reside in the heavens (Eph. 12:11, "the devil....against spiritual wickedness in high [Gk; epouranios--'celestials/heaven'] and the earth (Rev. 12:9 is not a one time occurance).

[1] "That in the dispensation of the fulnesss of times he might gather together in one ALL in the Christ, both that in the heavens and that in the earth" (Eph. 1:10, Concordant Literal New Testament).

[2] "For by Him were ALL things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible [Satan and demons] whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers [including 'principalities and powers' of Eph. 6:12] : all things were created by Him, and for Him...And, having made peace through the blood of the His cross, by Him to RECONCILE ALL unto Himself; by Him, I say whethe4r they be those in earth or those in heaven" (Col. 1:16 & 20).

[3] "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in HEAVEN, and those in EARTH, and those UNDER THE EARTH. And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ IS LORD [I Cor. 12:3b], to the glory of God the Father" (Col. 2:9-11).

[4] "...Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the SIN OF THE WORLD" (John 1:29b).

[5] "For He [Jesus] must reign till He has put ALL ENEMIES [Satan is an enemy [Matt. 13:39] under His feet...that God may be ALL in All [that includes ALL God's creatures]" (I Cor. 15:25 & 28).

Etc., etc., etc.

God be with you,
Ray

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Andy wrote:

Quote from: YellowStone on Today at 03:43:45 PM
Hey Andy,

Kind of shoots down my argument.........................

Thanks Arcturus for pointing that out

Love,
Darren

Not really, The verse you quote in 2 Peter is interesting in that it's the only occurance of the word Tartaroo in the new testament.

G5020
ταρταρόω
tartaroō
tar-tar-o'-o
From Τάρταρος Tartaros̄ (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment: - cast down to hell.

Arcturus,

Thanks for the reply.

I still don't see "salvation" applied to Satan and the fallen angels.

I do however see the reconcilation of all of creation back to God's perfect order.

I don't think that the two words (salvation and reconcilation) have the same meaning.

I would like to start a new thread to discuss this so as not to hijack this thread.

Peace,

Andy

Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Andy

For me salvation is to those in the first resurrection and reconciliation is for those in the White Throne Judgement into which Satan and all his evil assistants etc will be cast into the Lake of Fire....not for ever...but for correction...and in order to fulfill that every knee will bow....

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

Andy_MI:
Hi Arcturus,

Thank you for your reply.

I just hope I haven't open up a can of worms by starting this thread.

I am meditating on these verses and seeking clarity from the Lord on this whole subject.

Col 1:16 KJVR
(16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:20 KJVR
(20) And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

The thing I notice about verse 20 is that "all things will be reconciled unto himself." "Whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven."

Is this saying that all of creation is going to be saved? I say it does not say all things whether in earth or in heaven will be saved but rather reconciled.

Here's the thing that's got me thinking about this.

If reconcilation is the same as salvation then the all things would include ALL THINGS.

That would include all the bugs, snakes, critters, bacteria, viruses, mosquitoes and lions and tigers and bears - OH MY! ;D
(sorry, just had a wizzard of oz flash back.)

Do you see my questioning here?

I see reconcilation is a "bringing back creation into the perfect harmony and order of our Father."

Is this accomplished by "saving all of creation?"

Just some thoughts,

Peace,

Andy

Craig:
What is salvation?, what are we saved from?

Satan does not need saving, but as with all creation he needs to be reconciled to God.

Craig

sansmile:
Hi all,

What i see is that God created satan as His adversary

(1Pe 5:8) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

(Isa 45:7) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

But, He created evil to bring about good:

Rom 12:21) Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

But where satan is concerned, where does he end up.....in the lake of fire:

(Rev 20:10) And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons."

along with those that didn't believe:

Rev 20:14) And death and the unseen were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death-the lake of fire.

(Rev 20:15) And if anyone was not found written in the scroll of life, he was cast into the lake of fire."

So, as the lake of fire is Gods cleansing fire (spirit) then satan must be saved.

Sansmile (sandie)

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