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1 Peter 3:18-20 The spirits in jail.
andrevan:
Thanks Arcturus for your help.
You wrote: "For me your quote of 1 Peter 4 : 5 refers to those who are rejecting Christ, who have no spiritual discernment, who believe the things of Christ are foolishness but for God, they are actually the fools."
I'm thinking that these nations/gentiles mentioned above could also be linked to 1 Peter 4:6 in that they heard the Gospel, and as you mention, chose to reject the Gospel as well as Christ.
"For for this an evangel is brought to the dead also, that they may be judged, indeed, according to men in flesh, yet should be living according to God, in spirit." So those of 1Peter 4:3-5 who are now dead, heard this Gospel in their lifetime? They are judged "according to men in flesh" [in the same way/in proportion to how we are to be judged?], "yet should be living to God in the spirit" [they too will be vivified at the second resurrection?].
I read a couple of bible commentries [can't remember which] some time back, that linked those in jail in 1 Peter 3:19 with those of 1 Peter 4:6, I thought I'd have another look at this from a different angle. I may be way off, but its a good study anyway.
The scriptures you posted have given me more to consider and go on with, thanks again.
God bless you :)
Andrevan.
kennymac:
Hello,
This is a study I have on the spirits in prison. I would like very much to know what you all think
The Angels that Sinned
andrevan:
Thanks kennymac.
2Pe 2:4 For if God spares not sinning messengers, but thrusting them into the gloomy caverns of Tartarus, gives them up to be kept for chastening judging;"
2Pe 2:5 and spares not the ancient world, but guards Noah, an eighth, a herald of righteousness, bringing a deluge on the world of the irreverent;"
2Pe 2:6 and condemns the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, reducing them to cinders by an overthrow, having placed them as an example for those about to be irreverent:"
2Pe 2:7 and rescues the just man, Lot, harried by the behavior of the dissolute in their wantonness" [clv]
Back to the subject, therefore I doubt that the spirits in prison of 1 Peter 3 & 4 were these angels in the above verses, something doesn’t sound right, is there any mention that the angels that sinned were preached to? Possibly the nephilim [humans, not angels] were amongst those that Christ preached to through Noah before the global flood destroyed them all.
An interesting study you presented, and worth looking into further :).
God bless.
Andrevan
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Dear Abed:
Thank you for your email and questions.
Gen. 6 has absolutely NOTHING to do with "fallen angels." The "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" is not speaking of mortals and spirit beings. This is just another one of Christendom's fables.
Jesus plainly told us that,
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God., For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage [why? why aren't they given in marriage? Answer....] ...but are AS THE ANGELS of God in heaven" (Matt. 22:30).
The angels CANNOT MARRY (they have no 'marriage apparatus' if you know what I mean). Yet we are told in Gen. 6:2, that "they took them WIVES of all which they chose." To have a "wife" one must be "MARRIED." The sons of God and the daughters of men are BOTH HUMAN.
I believe that verse 4 of Gen. 6 is a terrible translation in the King James. Since most translators have bought into the 'angels fornicating with women' theory, most of them have a very strange translation of this verse. There are whole words in this Hebrew verse that are not even translated at all in most versions.
Notice this translation from the Concordant Version:
"Now the DISTINGUISHED come to be in the earth in those days, and moreover, afterward, coming are those who are sons of God to the daughters of the human, and they bear for them. They are the MASTERS, who are from the eon, MORTALS with the name."
Sorry I don't have time to explain the meaning of all these verses, but at least I want you to know that this is not a case of angels fornicating with women.
God be with you,
Ray
Dear Ryan:
Thank you for your kind words regarding our site.
Demons and Nephilum do not apparently have anything in common.
Demons were "good teachers" in classical Greek. By the writing of the Septuagint they were thought to be evil spirits and thus are the translation of of "daimonion" which means "TEACH-diminutive." They are spirits of an evil nature that cause great harm and pain to those whom they sometimes possess.
Nephilum is not really a translation. It is used twice in the Revised Standard Version where the King James has "giants." These giants are not the result of the sexual union of angels and women, but are the offspring of a man and woman. The same is true for the giants called "Rephaim." There were apparently clans of giant people in Canaan. (See Num. 13:33).
Sincerely,
Ray
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hillsbororiver (Joe)
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: kennymac on December 05, 2006, 03:00:46 AM ---Hello,
This is a study I have on the spirits in prison. I would like very much to know what you all think
The Angels that Sinned
--- End quote ---
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Here are a couple of Rays replies to e-mails on the subject;
[Ray Replies]
Dear Abed:
Thank you for your email and questions.
Gen. 6 has absolutely NOTHING to do with "fallen angels." The "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" is not speaking of mortals and spirit beings. This is just another one of Christendom's fables.
Jesus plainly told us that,
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God., For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage [why? why aren't they given in marriage? Answer....] ...but are AS THE ANGELS of God in heaven" (Matt. 22:30).
The angels CANNOT MARRY (they have no 'marriage apparatus' if you know what I mean). Yet we are told in Gen. 6:2, that "they took them WIVES of all which they chose." To have a "wife" one must be "MARRIED." The sons of God and the daughters of men are BOTH HUMAN.
I believe that verse 4 of Gen. 6 is a terrible translation in the King James. Since most translators have bought into the 'angels fornicating with women' theory, most of them have a very strange translation of this verse. There are whole words in this Hebrew verse that are not even translated at all in most versions.
Notice this translation from the Concordant Version:
"Now the DISTINGUISHED come to be in the earth in those days, and moreover, afterward, coming are those who are sons of God to the daughters of the human, and they bear for them. They are the MASTERS, who are from the eon, MORTALS with the name."
Sorry I don't have time to explain the meaning of all these verses, but at least I want you to know that this is not a case of angels fornicating with women.
God be with you,
Ray
Dear Ryan:
Thank you for your kind words regarding our site.
Demons and Nephilum do not apparently have anything in common.
Demons were "good teachers" in classical Greek. By the writing of the Septuagint they were thought to be evil spirits and thus are the translation of of "daimonion" which means "TEACH-diminutive." They are spirits of an evil nature that cause great harm and pain to those whom they sometimes possess.
Nephilum is not really a translation. It is used twice in the Revised Standard Version where the King James has "giants." These giants are not the result of the sexual union of angels and women, but are the offspring of a man and woman. The same is true for the giants called "Rephaim." There were apparently clans of giant people in Canaan. (See Num. 13:33).
Sincerely,
Ray
Please try to stay within the confines of the Forum rules.
hillsbororiver (Joe)
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