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TimothyVI:
I have read through Ray's paper on the trinity three times now. Isn't that ironic?
I agree wholeheartedly with what he says. I have never found the concept of the trinity
to be anywhere in scriptures.

The reason trinitarians to come up with that concept was to reconcile the command of Jesus
that we worship no other God.
Exd 20:3 ¶ Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
If this is true then how could you pray to another God the Father?

I still struggle with how we can obey that command and still worship God the father
unless they are the same. I know that they are not. I believe every word that Jesus spoke in scripture that recognizes
that He is not as great as the Father, that He can do nothing without the Father, that he is
in fact not the Father. I also understand how he can be one with the Father and still not be the Father.
I am just confused as to why Jesus would tell us in Exd. to have no other God before HIm, and then later
teach us to pray to His Father God.

If Ray clearly explained this in his paper, then I clearly missed it.

Could someone help.

Tim

Jrila:
i want to share some important verses that prove jesus and the holy spirit are both god. by the way just because the word trinity isn't in the bible doesn't mean there's a such thing, just like that bible you read the term bible isn't in the bible lol   


these verses i want u to consider and get back at me and tell me what u think!

ok lets start with the holy spirit 
acts 5:3-5 then peter siad, "ananias, how is it that satan has so filled youre heart that u have lied to the holy spirit and have kept yourself some of the money you receieved for the land ? you have not lied to men but to God


now lets talk about jesus
isaiah 9:6 a child is born to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. and he will be called wonderfull counselor, mighty God, eternal father, prince of peace.


now jesus siad the father is greater than him because he came as a servant. the master is always greater than the servant in status, but not in the essence. just like a man is greater than a woman in status but not in the essence.

Beloved:
Ray did a great job expounding this very topic at the Nashville Conference. They recorded his talk so hopefully it will not be too long before you can hear it. He also gave out a great handout with just some of the scriptures that support why there is one God.

Beloved

 

kudeta:
Jrila,

I think you misunderstand the point about the "Trinity."  The Holy Spirit is sometimes a way of referring to God, a manifestation of God.  It is in no sense an additional being.

When God manifests as a Burning Bush, and as a Pillar of Cloud, do we point and say, "Oh, look!  A Fourth and Fifth being that comprise God!  I guess we've got a Holy Pentity!"?

Of course we don't, because there's simply no reason to do so.  The Burning Bush and Pillar of Cloud, just like the Holy Spirit, are never discussed as being distinct Beings from YHWH.

1 Cor 8:5  For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"),
1 Cor 8:6  yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Blessings,
 - John

Jrila:
kudeta,

the name Lord is the name god gave to jesus lets read john 17:11 holy father protect them by the power of your name-the name u gave me. what name is that? LORD! 

brother there isnt three GODS. i agree with that. theres only one God even the demons know that and shudder, but our human minds cant understand how the father, son, and holy spirit are God. think of it like this brother, the sun has three rays right? u have a invisible ray, u cant see. a visible ray, u can see. and a heating ray u can feel right? does that make it three suns? the sun has three different roles, but its still one sun. another thing jesus is God in physical form, the holy spirit is god in spiriual form.

think about it brother if there is no jesus how can we ever see God in physical form? God is a spirit. if theres no holy spirit how can god live in us??? gen 1:26- let us make man in our image, who is our? isaiah 6:8 then i heard the voice of the lord saying,"whom shall i send? and who will go for us. who is us??

now lets read zechariah 14:9- the lord will be king over the whole earth. on that day there will be one lord, and his name the only name.

u see at the end of the age, were not going to see the holy spirit, or the father, were going to see jesus christ reigning on the throne of david forever! why because jesus is the father and he's the holy spirit. lets look over these two last verses i wanna share. 


john 14 :17 the world cannot except him, because it neither sees him or knows him. but you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

well who was living with them at the time? Jesus! how does jesus live in us? through the holy spirit. so wouldnt you say jesus lives in us in spiritual form??? he surley cant live in us in physical form.

 
and before i share this other verse look at it like this u say the holy spirit isnt equal to God right? look at the bible brother in the old testament it was all about the Father right? he played a dominate role ok. in the new testament jesus played a predominate role. now the holy spirit is playing the dominate role.

by the way jesus is the  permanant manifestation of God. and the Holy spirit manifested is jesus christ. 1corin 3:17 now the lord is the spirit, and where the spirit of the lord is, there is freedom.

what does that tell me and you? the holy spirit is omnipresent.  now lets see if the holy spirit is omniscient.

1corin 2:10-the spirit searches all things, even the deep things of god. well there u have it show me some verses that prove otherwise but int'll then have a blessed week

God bless Brother

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