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Trinity ???
mari_et_pere:
Something that I've learned from this forum is that joining a discussion (or thread) and participating in it can not only teach one new things, but highten awareness of biblical truths and/or lies.
I used to just lurk here, reading. But once I actually got involved, man it's awesome! It makes you realize what you believe, what other's believe, you can help others as they help you, it's just awesome. I would never ever ask anyone to stop talking on here as long as it's evident that they are being sincere. (Buy my book at buymybook.com doesn't fit. know what i'm sayin?)
Let the newbies ask questions and make comments. What's wrong with that? Heck let the heroes ask and comment too. It may just be your response that God wants to use to help open that person's eyes. I've seen it happen. I've had it happen to me! I've been blessed to help someone on here that way and I was on cloud 9 man. Awesome.
So who cares if certain people think it's a stupid question? You don't have to answer it. And who cares if a certain thread changes topic midway and switches to something totally different? That's what conversations normally do right? I say keep talking. "Fellowshipping" if you prefer. ::) ;D
Peace
Matt
jER:
There are three elements to man; his body, the spirit and soul.
“And the Lord God formed man (his physical body) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (spirit);”…
“…and man became a living soul.” [with a mind, will and emotions] (Gen.2:7)
Questions: (mostly - out of curiosity)
Do the two (physical/spirit) make three? Are the three (essentially) two?
And, without one of the two, is there three?
If the body dies, and our spirit returns to God, does not the soul cease to be?
Did only - Jesus’ body die (or, did his soul cease to be - while His Spirit returned to the Father)?
Is God not Spirit and was Christ not flesh? Does, God and Christ have a soul?
Is the comforter, the Spirit of Christ which He sent after, ascending?
Why was the Spirit given, afterwards? But not during the physical presence of Christ?
There is indeed only one God; The Father, and one Lord; Jesus Christ.
“…And when All Things [includes humanity] shall be Subdued unto him, then shall the Son [Jesus]also himself be Subject unto Him [God, the Father] that put All Things under him [Jesus], that God will be All in All.” (I Cor.15:28)
Otherwise, please explain I Cor. 15:28?
In His Love
hillsbororiver:
Hi jER,
The 2 parts (body, spirit) equal 1 soul. Take away either and you have death. This is one equation that reads 1 (body) + 1 (breath of life/spirit) = 1 (soul).
When you mix flour and water you have dough, 1 result comprised of 2 elements, you do not have 3 elements, take away the flour and you have only water, take away the water and you are left with flour. In either case there can be no dough without both elements but the combination of the 2 parts creates one result not 3.
The soul ceases to be, but the spirit, the breath of life returns to God, the body returns to dust.
I am sorry but I do not understand how this ties into 1Cor 15:28, could you please clarify the question? At the culmination of the ages, when Christ has saved all, He will then present the Father with the Sons and Daughters He has desired from the beginning and who Christ was commissioned to bring to Him, then creation (including our Lord) will be subject to the Father and He will be All in All. What a glorious promise to contemplate!
His Peace to you,
Joe
Kat:
Hi jER,
Here are a few emails of Ray's that I think will answer most of your questions on body, spirit, and soul.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,240.0.html --------
Dear Waylan:
It is true that we all speak of "THE soul" as if there is a separate entity inside of our body that is called "the soul." Not true. Without the spirit there is NO SOUL. Without the body there is NO SOUL. Take a blue piece if transparent plastic or cellophane. Place it half way over a same size piece of yellow cellophane. You will have blue on one side, yellow on the other, and GREEN in the middle. The blue is the body, the yellow is the spirit, and the GREEN IS THE SOUL. Notice that there is NO SOUL without the blue body and the yellow spirit. Separate the blue and yellow cellophane and the GREEN soul disappears. This is exactly how the human soul must be combined with a body and spirit, or IT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST. They are very closely related and appear to overlap, but there are distinction between soul and spirit. Understood? Good.
God be with you,
Ray
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1675.0.html ---------
Dear John:
Yes, there is a spirit in man (AND ALL ANIMALS). Nothing can live without "spirit." Spirit IS life (Ecc. 8:8; Ecc. 12:7; Luke 23:46; I Cor. 2:11; etc.). There is no consciousness in our spirit alone. There is only consciousness (soul) when man's spirit is combined with a body. God retains our spirit until resurrection when He puts our spirit into a new body and we once again become conscious or receive back the quality of "soul." We are said to have new "spiritual" bodies, not that we are made "spirits."
God be with you,
Ray
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--- Quote ---Did only - Jesus’ body die (or, did his soul cease to be - while His Spirit returned to the Father)?
Is God not Spirit and was Christ not flesh? Does, God and Christ have a soul?
Is the comforter, the Spirit of Christ which He sent after, ascending?
Why was the Spirit given, afterwards? But not during the physical presence of Christ?
--- End quote ---
Jesus died, body and soul, His spirit did return to the Father until He was resurrected.
Luke 23:46 And crying with a loud voice, Jesus said, Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit. And when He had said this, He breathed out the spirit.
Jesus Christ and the Father are One.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one!"
God's spirit is the Holy Spirit, Christ is the same Spirit. While on earth in the flesh Christ was filled with the Holy Spirit.
John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
While Jesus was alive on earth He repersented the Father in every way, as they were One.
It was by His death that we were reconciled to God and by His rersurrection are we given hope of a resurrection to life also.
Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
1Co 15:20 But now Christ has risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruit of those who slept.
v. 21 For since death is through man, the resurrection of the dead also is through a Man.
v. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be made alive.
v. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first-fruit, and afterward they who are Christ's at His coming;
Now with Christ having prepared the way, all can receive life. In this age only the very few receive the ernest or downpayment of God's Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13-14), through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which is Christ(and the Father, because they are One) that lives in us.
John 15:26 And when the Comforter has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He shall testify of Me.
I hope this helped with your questions :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
mrsnacks:
Hi everyone:
I have been listening to the Nashville conference and Ray makes an excellent point.
at the end or beginning of Paul's writings , he never mentions the Holy Spirit and acknowledges the Holy Spirit as a separate person. The Holy Spirit is left out. Paul will say for example : "Our God and our Lord Jesus Christ ...." It seems if the Holy Spirit is a person , He is getting the short end from Paul because He isn't mentioned. If there is a trinity and all are equal and are 3 persons then shouldn't Paul say --- Our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. And Paul doesn't do that at all. He mentions the Father and the Son only.
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