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Who will be married to who?
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Prosizz on December 04, 2006, 09:30:15 PM ---I am not sure if I completely adhere to kat's argument. It sounds to me like a new doctrine. How do you presume that while christ is reigning with the elect, they rein in spirit while other are in body and continuing their lives, giving to marriage and being married? I am not sure if I miss something here. Is there any scriptural proof of what you are saying?
Or is it just an assumption?
Christ right now is spirit, satan and demon are spirits, the father is spirit. and the chronology is Father, son and the rest. Will Christ and the elects as spiritual beings cannot rule over other spiritual beings as God, spiritual being is ruling over other principalities and power in the heavenly places which are spiritual being? My confusion is the assertion that the elects and Christ rule over human being. Perhaps there are scriptures I am not familiar with that support Kat's posting.
I will appreciate any help.
Thanks.
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Hello Prosizz,
Here is a "Readers Digest" version of events, I am trying to condense Kat's post here;
Those who are yet alive at Christ's second coming but unconverted will be ruled with a rod of iron by Jesus and His elect. The elect will be transformed, incorruptable at this point while the remainder of humanity is living (in the flesh) a peaceful life, satan will be bound so they will be without the constant strife and temptation that satan so generously provides.
After the "1000 years" satan will be loosed to do what he does so well, stir up trouble, then comes the end, proving beyond a doubt that the flesh is not capable of full conversion, even after humanity sees and lives a blissful existence under Christ and His Saints as soon as satan is loosed they fall prey to him. Kind of brings to mind a couple of people in a garden a long time ago..............
Then the White Throne Judgement, Lake of Fire and then the restoration of all things, God becomes "all in all."
Here is some scripture;
Revelation 20 (New International Version)
The Thousand Years
1And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
4I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Satan's Doom
7When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Dead Are Judged
11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Ray spoke of this at one of the conferences, it is an amazing thing, no one will be converted during the Millenium.
I will look for it and post it soon,
Joe
Kat:
Hi Prosizz,
Rev 19:11 And I saw Heaven opened. And behold, a white horse! And He sitting on him was called Faithful and True. And in righteousness He judges and makes war.
Rev 19:12 And His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head many crowns. And He had a name written, one that no one knew except Himself.
Rev 19:13 And He had been clothed in a garment dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
I think we can all agree this is referring to Jesus Christ's.
Rev 19:14 And the armies in Heaven followed Him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
These armies are the resurrected saint, coming with Christ.
Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white. For the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints.
The nations are on earth, and this is where Christ and the elect will come to rule the nations
Rev 19:15 And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, so that with it He should strike the nations. And He will shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the wine of the anger and of the wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And He has on His garment, and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 12:5 And she bore a son, a male, who is going to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
Rev 2:26 And he who overcomes and keeps My works to the end, to him I will give power over the nations.
Rev 2:27 And he will rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of a potter they will be broken to pieces, even as I received from My Father.
This is what Jesus said about the people while He was on earth, and the nations have not changed.
Mat 15:8 "This people draws near to Me with their mouth, and honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
His rule will be to bring or force the people on earth into obeying His commandments of love, because in doing these, all else fall into place, of obedience.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
That is what I see from these scripture.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Prosizz:
So if I understand well, the interpretation you are giving to the scriptures cited in revelation is literal. Well if that's the case then I agree with you all. I thought revelation is a parable or allegory. I will wait to hear or read what Ray said on that as Joe's mentioned in his posting.
Thank you all.
Prosizz:
I want to add this e-mail and response that Ray gave to add to my last posting.
Hi Ray,
I have a question that I have not found addressed and answered on your
website. If ALL of
Rev. is symbolic, is the 1000 year period of Christ's reign (Kingdom) on
earth also symbolic and what about the 100 year period to follow where Satan
is released from his "bottomless pit" for a time.
I go to your site every day to read and learn and I always find something I
didn't see before, which
fills me with even greater desire to be not only "called" but "chosen".
You and your family are always in my heart and prayers.
Sue
Dear Sue:
I am afraid that you do what we all do at some time or another, and that is
to assume that the Scriptures say things that they don't.
Technically, nowhere does it actually say that Jesus will reign for a thousand
years, althought it can be deduced, and yes, it certainly is symbolic.
As as for the 100 year where you suggest that Satan is loosed, the Scriptures
absolutely do not defend such a "100 year" period. But yes, the "little season," is also
symbolic. I will be writing on these subject in the future.
God be with you,
Ray
YellowStone:
Hi All,
This has thread has turned into a very interesting topic of discussion.
I agree with the general view that there will be no marriage. (I kind of knew that going in) :)
But here is another question: Once the physical has passed away and we're all perfect all powerfull spirits, what then?
We will be as as our Father, spirits of love. How do you think this love will be used. It seems to me that a whole new chapter will begin and this love that we have will be used in ways that I am not even able to imagine.
Just a few thoughts,
Darren
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