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Mutated Pond Scum or Divine Creations
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello JDH
You wrote : We have a purpose for life. We are here to learn to love. When God breathed life into us we gained a portion of his nobility. This can be seen everywhere. People risking their lives to save others, firefighters, teachers, military members, police officers, the regular Joe on the street all sacrifice of themselves for others. We have inside of ourselves such nobility that is truly unparalleled by the angels of heaven. There is no greater love than this, that a man gives his life for the life of his friend. Not even the angels in heaven can have the nobility that we all have inside of us.
Claim this birthright! Claim this nobility! Do not deny it because life is hard. Life is hard, but nothing worth having comes easy. Life is our opportunity to truly learn what love is. Should this lesson be learned easily? How valuable to us would it be if it was an easy lesson? How can we demonstrate love without sacrifice? How strong is our love if it cannot withstand trials and tribulations? We say things like “How can God be perfect if there is so much wrong with this world?” Therein lies your answer. This is not a perfect world, but it is a perfect proving ground. We have a limited time so as to compel us to concentrate on what is important. It is extremely difficult so as to strengthen us. There are many tests of our character. We are given time to reflect on what we have done wrong and time to change. Our opportunities to learn from our failures are even more numerous that our successes. You must stay vigilant because you never know when the next test might come. This is truly the perfect proving ground. Yet I tell you one and all that you are all equal to the task. We have in all of us the nobility unmatched by the angels.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. These are your only true goals. When you fail, as we all do, learn from your failure. Do not get down on yourself or think yourself unworthy, you have some of God’s nobility running through your blood. Get back up and try harder. When life knocks you down, as life knocks all of us down frequently, do not indulge in self-pity. Find that nobility in yourself, use it as an opportunity grow mentally and spiritually.
YOU ARE NOT MUTATED POND SCUM!!! YOU ARE THE CREATION OF THE ALMIGHTY AND YOU HAVE THE NOBILITY GREATER THAN THAT OF THE ANGELS. LOVE GOD FIRST. LOVE OTHERS. LOVE YOURSELF.
This section of your presentation I treat separately because it appears as separate from the topic of Evolution that began your discussion.
In the above section of your teaching or belief that you present the only parts I can agree with are …”God breathed life into us….” And
There is no greater love than this, that a man gives his life for the life of his friend. and… Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul, and love your neighbour as yourself.
I disagree with the teaching or belief that we should love ourselves. For me self-esteem is the most undetected anti-Christ heresy of our times that has wide support in the worldly systems of psychology, school education, business competition and carnal life teachings of which there are many books in the New York best sellers list that have come from TBN preachers. The wisdom of the world is to God foolishness.
For those who are curious and have the time I’d like to suggest that you do a little exercise. This may help you see what I am seeing if you are interested. JDH, if you re-read what you have presented in your post with the following amendments…. Where the word love comes up, put the word God in its place AND where you see the word God, put the word Love in ITS place…. you may be astounded at what you see! What I hope it shows you is that we can do nothing without God and to believe we can or should try or to teach others to try is absurd because it is God who is Love NOT us.
For me, Gods plan is that we experience being UN-like Him first until we come through painful experience to the understanding that we can do nothing without Him. As for “learning to love”… Relatively speaking, sure, we can learn but in the Absolute sense, it is God alone who makes it happen and is doing just that via His plan and His purposes in accordance to the council of His will! We are here to learn to love, for me is like saying we are here to learn to God…... Yes….many are trying that one!
As for our purpose, LOF has taught me that we are here because God is creating Sons and Daughters. As and when we do love, for me, is a consequence and direct result of Gods work in us, not any nobility in us, but His work in us.
1 John 4 : 4 Little children, you are of God, you belong to Him and have already defeated and overcome them, the agents of the anti-Christ, because He Who lives in you is greater, mightier than he who is in the word.
HE Who lives in us is NOT subject TO us or ever will or EVER can be. Can you see that to teach that HE who lives in us is subject to us is heresy? We have NO claim on God nor EVER will have. God IS Sovereign. We cannot use Him. To think we can or should is to share in the cup held in the hand of Mystery Babylon who’s errors are subtle, and who’s teachings sound good, plausible, defensible and acceptable. They are not any of these things and that takes some getting used to. I have found the teaching on Bible Truths and the LOF series to be of great assistance. :)
Peace to you all
Arcturus :)
rrammfcitktturjsp:
To all,
I was a little disturbed to see Phazel's remark on he is surprised to see what behvior or discussion is condoned in being allowed to be discuess the forum.
To the Moderators out there, is this an unacceptable topic? If so, I will refrain from posting any more in the topic. It is not my purpose to unsettle or debate and I would not want to post if it would cause any to go astray.
Thanks.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
Phazel:
That wasn't my comment. That was Pax.
andrevan:
--- Quote from: Phazel on December 12, 2006, 11:04:04 AM ---
--- Quote ---Therefore we can throw away evolution with confidence, we don’t need it. Only atheists need it.
--- End quote ---
Here is the larger problem with that and Michael Behe sums it up better that I can in this article.
http://www.arn.org/docs/behe/mb_ksnytb81399.htm
--- End quote ---
Hi Phazel, thanks for the link.
I could have been clearer in my statement, which was in reference to Christians believing in evolution, not about it being taught or not. What I was implying was that we don’t need evolution in Christian theology/doctrine (especially those of us who’ve found the hidden truth revealed by Ray et al), as it doesn’t even scientifically work. Christians need not compromise their faith with it; it’s just not worth it.
Behe makes some good points. Natural selection only works on pre-existing creatures, it doesn’t create new ones and is actually a mechanism that works against the evolution of all life from a primordial cell(s). Just another nail in the evolutionary coffin.
God bless.
Andrevan.
rrammfcitktturjsp:
To Phaezal,
I am sorry that I quoted you as saying something, I meant Pax. I just got the names mixed up. Please accept my humble apologies.
Thanks.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
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