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hillsbororiver:
From an e-mail to Ray on Dec. 19, 2006
You write in your "email to Ray" section of the forum, "Our Forum is not the place to try out new ideas and teachings on Biblical themes. You can send them to me, but then again I cannot answer all of these teachings and questions either."
It seems that you should detach the forum from your website, then.
It seems there are MANY in the forum that feel they have to have your stamp of approval on things they share. That's why I left the forum. Also, there were too many people that seemed they looked down on the un-called yet and assumed they were called and more wise and going to be chosen. And yes, I'm well aware that you encourage people to believe God & trust the Word over you - but there are many that seem to miss that.
~Nicholas
Dear Nicholas:
Sounds to me that you are judging them just as you are accusing them of judging you? What do think?
I have never given anyone permission to say anything on our Forum. I have instructed our Moderators a time or two, however, to NOT allow certain things on our Forum. It's kinda like a shepherd protecting the sheep against the wolves and foxes. There are spiritual wolves and foxes, you know. Don't you?
No, I don't want the Forum "detached" from our site. We don't work at causing devision and separation, but rather unity in our ministry.
Why get caught up in all this childish, "he said, she said, they said......?" Most people don't have a problem with our Forum. Some do. Some want to be teachers of new truth, when they don't understand the OLD truths. We don't allow that. I'm sorry, but we don't allow anyone who so desires, to teach heresy or to teach anything on our Forum. You are allowed to discuss things, but don't start writing five and ten pages of exegesis commentary on the book of Revelation, cause we will cut you off. Baptists don't invite Jehovah's Witness ministers to teach at their Sunday services even though the marquee may read: "All Welcome," and we don't allow anyone to teach on our Forum, or try to get people to go to other sites to read someone elses heresy.
I am sorry if you don't approve, but that's the way it is.
Ya know, I don't believe that I have ever heard of anyone leaving our Forum because they felt too inferior to stay on. But I have heard of dozens and dozens who have left because they felt too superior to the others, to stay on the Forum. Swallow your pride, and join in the fellowship, and don't get all bent out of shape.
God be with you,
Ray
I am not sure if anyone wants to discuss this and share their perceptions but I thought it might not be a bad idea to air this out a bit. Over the past year or so I have had many PM & e-mail discussions with folks who feel like this writer, there are some who just assumed certain things were implied that were only miscommunications, these were easy to bridge, sometimes it has appeared to have been resolved, for a time at least and then the anxiety they feel returns and other times I feel as if I am speaking Chinese to an Indian who was educated in England by a Canadian who only knew how to speak French.
While we are admonished to be of a like mind does this mean that we are to agree wholeheartedly on every topic at every point in time? Or does it mean that we as the Body of Christ, as Brethren in His Kingdom that we should first and foremost display the fruits of the spirit in our interactions with all we come into contact with?
Most if not all of us have Babylonian luggage we have carried for quite a while, some doctrines (baggage) are easily tossed aside while others have sentimental value that are not easily disposed of, is this one of the reasons we are admonished to have patience? To wait for confirmation from His Spirit to things we may not understand as completely as we thought?
I know that in the time I have been involved here there have been some things that took longer to sink in than others. I have also been amazed at how some folks will come in all ablaze in a new found fellowship only to trash it the first time someone does not embrace 100% a thought or premise they have postulated, where in this world of imperfection do we ever find such agreement at all times?
We all are on a One on one walk with the Lord, thankfully we can share our experiences and insights with each other, if I were on a journey in a country I was not totally familiar with would I be justified in being angry or frustrated with a fellow traveler who did not see the bluejay singing in the elm tree in a certain park at 6 AM Saturday morning as the wispy clouds were shaped like an anvil enhancing the sunrise with a spectrum of colors?
All comments are very welcome.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
sansmile:
Hi Joe,
Well, I for one agree with the forum rules, sometimes I admit, we may overstep the mark a bit, but that's why there are moderators. :)
We all have come to this forum through reading Ray's articles and i have always said that Ray, like all of us, is only a man, but a man i believe with more "spirtual sight" than me. When i first started to read Ray's articles, they were all confirmation to what the HS had already engraved in mine and my husbands heart. I am sure many have started to read and shouts of YES! YES! resounded round their lounge. It was to me a feeling of "i am not alone in what i feel".
Allowing anyone to post other doctrines or teachings, i believe, will lead to dissention, i have seen this happen in another forum in the past. I agree that the old doctrines and heresies have been etched in to our minds, when reading the Word we have to consciously recognise this and pray for he HS to reveal the the truth in our hearts. It is all part of overcoming the "old man". Paul went thorugh the same turmoil, there was even desention between Paul and the the other apostles for a while, because of their clinging on to the old ways. Let us all encourage each other and study together, but still remembering it is bible-truths forum we are in, not a general chat room.
We, i believe are all here, because we have been "called out of her". The last thing we want is to wander back in. The HS reveals to us through grace and it is through grace that we have faith, and through that faith let us trust Him to guide us.
and i do truly mean it when i say
I love you all as the body of Christ
Sandie
sansmile:
Me again......lol
Forgot to enter the scripture.......doh! silly me
(Rom 12:2) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
(Rom 12:3) For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
(Rom 12:4) For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
(Rom 12:5) So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
(Rom 12:16) Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
(Rom 12:17) Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
(Rom 12:18) If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
Sandie
hillsbororiver:
Sandie,
Amen!
That was a beautiful post.
His Peace and Wisdom to you Sister,
Joe
P. S. Make that 2 beautiful posts................
eggi:
I for one am glad this question came up. I'm a relatively new member, but I have already witnessed many threads that weren't really discussions, they were arguments. These threads ended with "You hurt me, I'm leaving this forum"-kind-of-posts. I never understood what caused these reactions, I haven't seen anyone deliberately trying to hurt someone else on this forum. Perhaps the hurt was due to the fact that they understood that they were wrong about something?
I guess the best way to approach this problem is to "weigh the words" before we post. There are many persons with different backgrounds, nationalities and languages who are members here, and this can sometimes be a real challenge. Perhaps using the emoticons/smileys can be a help, since these are universal carriers of meaning? ;)
These verses speak about how powerful words are, and how we should learn to control our tongues:
Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. (Jam 3:5-18 KJV)
There is much to learn from these verses.
God help us,
Eirik
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