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rvhill:
I don't consider myself a universalist. I think most universalist miss the point. I know there is no afterlife. There is just life and death. Through Jesus there is the hope of a second life. Most people seem to be worried about who will be saved or not, when they need to worry about how they will be saved. Also they seem to forget that there is more then salvation to be gained or lose, as in 1Co 3 and other verses. As Paul point out, will you suffer loss or a reward. Salvation is a free gift given by the blood of Jesus.
Matthew 6:20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.
Michele:
--- Quote from: rvhill on January 12, 2007, 04:57:14 PM ---I don't consider myself a universalist. I think most universalist miss the point. I know there is no afterlife. There is just life and death. Through Jesus there is the hope of a second life. Most people seem to be worried about who will be saved or not, when they need to worry about how they will be saved. Also they seem to forget that there is more then salvation to be gained or lose, as in 1Co 3 and other verses. As Paul point out, will you suffer loss or a reward. Salvation is a free gift given by the blood of Jesus.
Matthew 6:20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.
--- End quote ---
I am so confused, what does this mean?
Everytime I think I'm beginning to understand and get the puzzle pieces put together I come across something else that makes no sense to me at all compared to the other things I've been learning?
"no aferlife"?
"Most people seem to be worried about who will be saved or not, when they need to worry about how they will be saved"
please explain.....
Kat:
Hi Michele,
I think what rvhill was saying, is that all will be saved in the end.
We should be thinking about how, as in the first resurrection or the lake of fire.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable before God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to a full knowledge of truth.
What the churches teach is all you have to do is believe and you will be zipped into a heavenly paradise, when you die.
There is so much more to it.
Everyone will give an account and will be judged, for everything they have done.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
So for those that think they believe in Christ is all they need, and don't have a thing to worry about, well the lake of fire is going to be a real shock. Everybody is going to have to answer, for everything that they think they are getting away with now. It is not going to be a good experience for them, that is what I think the 'weeping and gnashing of teeth' is all about.
Mat 13:49 So it will be at the close of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous
Mat 13:50 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Everybody will have to learn obedience, now judgment on the elect is easier, later in the lake of fire, it will not be a hard experience for the rest.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
marycee:
I have come to believe that the most important thing is not to be double minded, but rather to openly express our true beliefs, without fear of rejection.
I have observed that there are people, and I have -- sad to say -- at times been one of them, who do not allow their expression to represent always what they really are and believe inside. They just blend right in anywhere, no matter what. Jesus would call such "hypocrites." Hypocrite means "actor." We act out a role depending on the situation, and that means hiding our true selves.
if we truly believe there is no eternal hell as taught in most churches, then we should not pretend that we do when it is convenient for our comfort zone to do so. We should not sit close mouthed while someone assumes that we believe a certain way, just so we will not be rejected by those people. We don't have to go around creating situations where we can start preaching at people; nevertheless, we should express, if called upon, the truth as we see it.
For example, if someone is having a personal conversation with you and starts talking about how some "evil person" is going to get his in hell, we should not just smile and nod our heads in agreement. We should pray that God will give us the proper words to express what we really believe -- which includes Scriptural references.
I have been asking God to give me boldness to speak at such times, and the right words to say. I feel I cannot be much use to His calling or purpose if I meekly hide because I am afraid of ridicule. It is hard to go against the tide; but as believers we are called many times to do just that.
Deborah-Leigh:
WELCOME to the Forum Marycee!
Agreement is key! Do we pass as agreeable with heresy or do we shine our light in the darkness?
Matt 10 : 33 But whoever denies and disowns Me before men, I also will deny and disown him before My Father Who is in heaven.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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