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Israel - the Jewish people
Nancy:
Hi there all and Kat,
You are dead right when you make God responsible for the hardening of Jews' hearts towards Christ. It is God who has purposed it. If the Jews accepted Christ from the beginning, Christ would probably have stayed a Jewish Saviour, but we all know the reality of Gods' workings. Christ is known by gentiles as well now.
I hate it when christians talk about the Jews' rejection of Christ as if it is their fault.
Of course i get upset when Jewish people say things about Christ that i'd rather they not say but i have to forgive them as Christ did. My heart reaches out to them. I don't know why but it does.
Thanks for your replies.
God bless
Nancy
Sorin:
--- Quote from: Falconn003 on January 05, 2007, 04:39:45 AM ---I believe the one hurdle many have with the jews is reading"God's chosen people " and thinking ((they the readers)) should some how be oblige to hold up the jews to a higher esteem than themselves((the readers)), PURE foolishness and far from the grace of God for us all.
Many scriptures qouted and posted above mine are a perfect TRUMPET to what the Word of God says of us ALL,who have ears to hear and eyes to see.
Anything that would make you feel inferer cast it out of your FAITH.
God bless
Rodger
--- End quote ---
Well said Rodger! I've seen people say things like "I'll forever be greatful to the Jews 'cause it's because of them that we the Gentiles have salvation" or something to that affect. No It Isn't! It's because of Christ's death and God's plan, not because the Jews were made blind, this was all God's purpose, the Jews had nothing to do with it, it's just the way God chose to do things. If anything, the Gentiles [that are called and then chosen] are God's True Chosen people.
So what if the Jews were first, I thought the first will be last in God's kingdom?
Mar 10:31 But many [that are] first shall be last; and the last first.
Mat 19:30 But many [that are] first shall be last; and the last [shall be] first. etc...
So why are people holding the Jews 'to a higher esteem' as Rodger said?
Take care,
Sorin
rocky:
--- Quote from: Sorin on January 05, 2007, 11:25:07 AM ---
--- Quote from: Falconn003 on January 05, 2007, 04:39:45 AM ---I believe the one hurdle many have with the jews is reading"God's chosen people " and thinking ((they the readers)) should some how be oblige to hold up the jews to a higher esteem than themselves((the readers)), PURE foolishness and far from the grace of God for us all.
Many scriptures qouted and posted above mine are a perfect TRUMPET to what the Word of God says of us ALL,who have ears to hear and eyes to see.
Anything that would make you feel inferer cast it out of your FAITH.
God bless
Rodger
--- End quote ---
Well said Rodger! I've seen people say things like "I'll forever be greatful to the Jews 'cause it's because of them that we the Gentiles have salvation" or something to that affect. No It Isn't! It's because of Christ's death and God's plan, not because the Jews were made blind, this was all God's purpose, the Jews had nothing to do with it, it's just the way God chose to do things. If anything, the Gentiles [that are called and then chosen] are God's True Chosen people.
So what if the Jews were first, I thought the first will be last in God's kingdom?
Mar 10:31 But many [that are] first shall be last; and the last first.
Mat 19:30 But many [that are] first shall be last; and the last [shall be] first. etc...
So why are people holding the Jews 'to a higher esteem' as Rodger said?
Take care,
Sorin
--- End quote ---
I agree Sorin, it was all God's plan. God is definitely the one who hardens hearts and opens eyes. The hardening by God of the jews is what brought salvation/reconciliation to us.
Rom 11:11 ¶ I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them [be] the reconciling of the world, what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead?
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.
Praise God for his sovereignty.
Nancy:
Hi there all,
Thanks for your replies.
I in no way feel inferior to Jewish people (my husband being one of them). Sometimes we jokingly tease each other with 'I'm Gods' chosen' 'No I am'.
I don't feel that God loves me because of the Jews, but doesn't Our Lord say salvation is of the Jews?
I love Jewish people I feel because to me they are a testament that God chose a people and that the bible is true. I feel it is of God that although they have suffered through the centuries, it is Gods' miracle that they all haven't become athiests!
God bless
Nancy
Falconn003:
WELL SAID
Sorin , Rocky and Nancy
The only inferior complex, we should strive for, is being unto the likeness of God our Father, And the best part of this inferiority is that God will be the one who will purge this from us, as he is creating us ALL in his IMAGE.
wonderful thread
God bless
Rodger
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