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lilitalienboi16:
Hello all, i hope everyone is doing well :)

Anyway i have a question, and this is a sincere and honost question from a hungry man, spiritualy speaking :P

What does it mean for Christ to be the FIRST and the LAST the ALPHA and the OMEGA?

Here in lies my confusion, please bare with me, this is important to understanding why i am confused.

I always believed that for example, Adam was a type and shadow of CHrist, somehow or some way. So this would make Christ the FIRST [first adam to be exact.]

The reason i believed this was because Christ said; 'As you have done it unto the least of these my bretheren, you have also done it unto me.' This sounds alot like Christ is the least of these, to the greatest.. the first AND the LAST.

Is this true? If not, someone who understands my confusion please explain.

The reason i bring this is up is because this was my understanding until i recently read something by ray in which I THOUGHT ray was saying that Christ for example is NOT tamar, or that TAMAR is NOT a type of Christ or a shadow of Christ. Now notice i THOUGHT this, i'm not saying this is what ray said. So if Christ is NOT a typified or shadowed by TAMAR [the least of these, she was a 'whore' to my understanding] then what does it mean to be the FIRST and the LAST, THE 'least of these' being done to him as well, what does it all mean?

Someone please help me, this is honost confusion and an honost heart seeking. I hope i didn't post anything wrong.

GOd bless and thanks for any help.

Love in Christ,

Alex

sj:
What makes Christ the FIRST and the LAST, ALPHA and the OMEGA?

God exists limitlessly... He "is, was, and always will be." Christ, who is the Word of God, was in the beginning with God, therefore He also is before time, which makes Him the first.

At the end of the ages, when all that is physical becomes spirit, Christ will still remain because He and His Father are one. This makes Him the last.

Here are some verses that are quotes often, but will hopefully shed some light on this topic.

Joh 1:1-3  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

Heb 11:3  By faith we understand that the ages were framed by a word of God, so that the things being seen not to have come into being out of the things that appear.

Col 1:13-17  For He has delivered us from the power of darkness and has translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son; in whom we have redemption through His blood, the remission of sins. who is the image of the invisible God, the First-born of all creation. For all things were created in Him, the things in the heavens, and the things on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, all things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.

Not sure if this helps, but maybe it's a start.

God's Peace
Josh

lilitalienboi16:
Yes it helps brings things back into perspective a bit, but it doesn't shed light on the fact that Christ said;

If you do it to the least of these, you also do it to Him.

I always understood it as that.

I thank you for your help, perhaps i was just alittle backwards in my udnerstanding, hopefuly some other people here can help shed light on the what it means to do it unto the least of these, and be the first and the last.

Paul says; "Howbiet that which is FIRST is NOT SPIRITUAL, but natural, and then that which is spiritual [last.]"

I'll be praying on this.. but i'm hopeing God will give me an answer here somewhere from someone.

Your answer helped, but apperently it wasn't enough :(

I'm still confused.

God bless and thank you,

Alex

chuckt:
Hbr 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.  :P :-* :-* :-* :-*

rocky:

--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on December 30, 2006, 01:46:32 AM ---Hello all, i hope everyone is doing well :)

Anyway i have a question, and this is a sincere and honost question from a hungry man, spiritualy speaking :P

What does it mean for Christ to be the FIRST and the LAST the ALPHA and the OMEGA?

Here in lies my confusion, please bare with me, this is important to understanding why i am confused.

I always believed that for example, Adam was a type and shadow of CHrist, somehow or some way. So this would make Christ the FIRST [first adam to be exact.]

The reason i believed this was because Christ said; 'As you have done it unto the least of these my bretheren, you have also done it unto me.' This sounds alot like Christ is the least of these, to the greatest.. the first AND the LAST.

Is this true? If not, someone who understands my confusion please explain.

The reason i bring this is up is because this was my understanding until i recently read something by ray in which I THOUGHT ray was saying that Christ for example is NOT tamar, or that TAMAR is NOT a type of Christ or a shadow of Christ. Now notice i THOUGHT this, i'm not saying this is what ray said. So if Christ is NOT a typified or shadowed by TAMAR [the least of these, she was a 'whore' to my understanding] then what does it mean to be the FIRST and the LAST, THE 'least of these' being done to him as well, what does it all mean?

Someone please help me, this is honost confusion and an honost heart seeking. I hope i didn't post anything wrong.

GOd bless and thanks for any help.

Love in Christ,

Alex

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I'm not sure if this helps, but here is a few thots. 

The "least of these", in my opinion is referrring to those in need of mercy.  The greatest would refer to the carnal law abiders, self righteous; prideful, those who see no need for a doctor.

giving mercy to those who cry out for mercy

Jesus is the first person in the flesh to fufill the spiritual law, Love.  He was humble and relied 100 percent on his father to get him through.  He was merciful to those in need of mercy. 

But things didn't end there, he also died, and rose again, being the firstfruit of those that risen.  And through his risen spirit, he is the completion/end, the finisher of our faith.  The whole body is complete through Him, not just the head.

Maybe this verse helps too,

Rev 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

was=dead
is=alive forevermore
will be=completion (keys of hell and of death, death destroyed)

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