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hebrewroots98:
Sorin, you got that right! I was just at one of those type funerals here, where two brothers had died over in the Gulf War recently. It was very sad, but when those self-righteous and hatemongers came out and protested this funeral using the very sings that you spoke of to picket with...well...lets' just say that they were running for their lives to get into their mini van to get out of there! Those "Harley Riders For Fallen Soldiers" whom travel all over the country to drown out these picketers didn't see any humor in that!!! >:( >:( :-\
moseslmpg:
Sorry for resurrecting a dead thread, but I don't want to clutter the place up.
Anyway, to get to the point: Ray says that the Bible likens death to sleep, where there is no consciousness. But that seems to be reading into it to me. I had pondered using experiences described in the Tibetan Book of the Dead, but considering that reincarnation/rebirth is bad or whatever, I won't. So if death is like sleep, how does that preclude consciousness? When I sleep I frequently have dreams, and there are people who can control their dreams and project their consciousness.
Also, if someone would mind telling me exactly why reincarnation is evil or wrong, I'd appreciate it. I mean, aside from the fact that it comes from "pagan" traditions, because I don't see that as a valid reason considering much of what is in the Bible.
Kat:
Hi moseslmpg,
I see this is your first post, welcome to the Bible-Truths forum :)
Jesus compared death to sleep, because as with sleep we are unconscious which means - experiencing loss of senses: unable to see, hear, or otherwise sense what is going on.
John 11:11 He said these things; and after that He said to them, Our friend Lazarus sleeps. But I go so that I may awaken him out of sleep.
v. 12 Then His disciples said, Lord, if he sleeps, he will get well.
v. 13 But Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He had spoken of taking rest in sleep.
v. 14 Then Jesus said to them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
But with sleep as you say, you do dream. But with death there is no mind function, as it says here.
Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing,
Here are a few email that Ray has answered concerning death sa sleep and reincarnation.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3747.0.html ----
Dear Lodewyk:
You need to read the material on our site. I spend thousands of hours researching and writing the material for our site. You need to read it. It answers all of your questions in great detail.
True, at death one's spirit returns to God, but it has no consciousness whatsoever. The consciousness is in the soul. Man IS a living soul, and when He dies, he is a dead soul. It is neither the soul, nor the body which are said to "sleep" in death, but rather that death itself is called "sleep." We are not resurrected with the dead body we died in, but are given a new, spiritual body (I Cor. 15:42-54). Read the first five pages of my Critique of Dr. Kennedy's sermon on Africans, and the Part C of my HELL series for detailed information on the body, soul, and spirit.
God be with you,
Ray
http://bible-truths.com/email10.htm#reincarnation ------------
Dear Randy:
It is not a bother for me to answer your questions.
Reincarnation is a doctrine of demons. God changes us into a new creature, a new creation, but this happens to us as the person we are, not a reincarnated different person.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3897.0.html ----
Dear Walter:
No, there is no such thing as human "reincarnation." Reincarnation is an ancient doctrine of the pagan Egyptians. God knew us from before the foundation of the world, not because we existed back then, but because we were IN HIS PLAN. God knew every person who would ever live, and when they would be born, and how long they would live, how they would live, etc., etc., etc. And He didn't plan for any to perish, but that all will come to repentance and a knowledge of the truth (if not in this life, then in Judgment).
God be with you,
Ray
indianabob:
Hello new member moseslmpg.
Welcome,
Love to know what lmpg means.
I'm 72 years old and married and live in Northern Indiana.
I'm interested in meeting new people and sharing ideas.
If you would like we can share our religion history and learn a little more about the other person. Maybe we came from similar backgrounds.
I was raised Presbyterian, then married a Methodist girl.
I served four years in the Air Force and then the Steel Mill.
six years on the police force in a small town of 10,000.
Studied to be an insurance salesmen for Prudential
Worked for a plumbing contractor.
Worked in municipal government for 17 years and later at the U. of Notre Dame
in the Civil Engineering Department and in Radiation Chemistry Research.
Recently retired & devoting my spare time to sharing God's truth with any who are truly interested. Don't believe in being pushy or going from door to door.
Love to discuss almost anything as long as we don't argue personalities.
Sincerely, Indianabob
Sorin:
--- Quote from: hebrewroots98 on January 05, 2007, 03:50:35 PM ---Sorin, you got that right! I was just at one of those type funerals here, where two brothers had died over in the Gulf War recently. It was very sad, but when those self-righteous and hatemongers came out and protested this funeral using the very sings that you spoke of to picket with...well...lets' just say that they were running for their lives to get into their mini van to get out of there! Those "Harley Riders For Fallen Soldiers" whom travel all over the country to drown out these picketers didn't see any humor in that!!! >:( >:( :-\
--- End quote ---
Well, since this thread was resurrected, I just wanted to say: Hooray for those Harley Riders! ;D
God Bless them!
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