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prodigal son
vic:
Hello All,
Seems you have all raised many questions but are left with many answers without some one putting them all together and really nailing a conclusion.
Has the parable the prodigal ( or a bettered translation is "lost") son whetted your appetites.? If you want to get a better pespective on the whole teaching and get a few more straight answers, why not study all 42 Chapters of Job.
You could say Job started out as the son who stayed at home, but became the "lost" son who found the Lord. He had a fate and terrible trial fart worse than just feeding the pigs.
I think Job was called and chosen and is on of the elect.
Job 2:3 And the Lord said unto satan, Have you considered my servant Job, here is none like him in he earth, as perfect and upright man, one that escheweth evil? and still holdss
fast his integrity, though you move against him, to destroy him without cause.
Vic.
rrammfcitktturjsp:
Vic,
Job is a wonderful book. I have not read it all, but becuase it has come up so much on the forum I am going to read it. I thought in the first chapter, God said to Satan In all the earth is there NO ONE like Job? Guys was he ever lost? Or are you referring to him being lost becuase he went through the trials?
Job is a very confusing book for me, I am trying to nail down the basic books of the bible first. I have not been a believer and follower of Christ for a long time in my life and am learning some of this for the first time. I have believed for about 4-5 years now.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
Kat:
Hi Vic,
No one could receive salvation before Christ came.
Here is an email of Ray's that makes this point.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,839.0.html -----------------------
Dear Dave:
Your teachings are neither spiritual, nor logical, nor Scriptural. Perhaps you should study your bible a little more.
What did any of the ancient patriarchs know of "saving grace?" Answer: Nothing! And why is that? Because: "For the LAW was given by Moses, but GRACE AND TRUTH came by Jesus Christ" (John 1:18). Grace did not come before Christ, hence: No one was saved before Christ. "These ALL died in faith [how many? 'ALL.'] in faith [did they all have faith? Yes. Are we 'saved by faith?' NO--'By GRACE ye are saved....' Eph. 2:8. Did they nonetheless receive the promise of immortal life? NO....] NOT having received the promises..." (Heb. 11:13).
Could not the Patriarchs receive salvation through the faith that they had BEFORE Jesus came to die for their sins? NO. No Patriarch will be saved except through God's chosen elect: "And these ALL [how many? 'ALL'] having obtained a good report through faith, received NOT THE PROMISES: God having provided some better thing for US, that THEY without US should NOT be made perfect [Gk: 'complete.']" (Heb. 11:13 & 39-40).
Well then, if their faith and good report did not and cannot make them 'complete,' pray what can make them 'complete?' Answer: "And ye ['ye' believers in Jesus, not those who knew not Jesus and did not have Jesus live in them, and who were not 'crucified with Christ,' etc., etc., etc.]...and ye are COMPLETE [how?] IN H-I-M [JESUS]" (Col. 2:10), etc., etc., etc.
Sometimes, Dave, it is also good to have a 'teacher' to help you understand the things that you miss by studying on your own.
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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