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Is the tower of Babel symbolic of the religious church world?

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Deborah-Leigh:
Having been through the Church System  I too was blind and thought I could see! I too was "outside" but thought that was "In". It has since become very transparent to me, that Church teachings often were presented or based on DO's and DON'Ts to aggrandize Church leadership   ::) and subdue Church followers. :'( Obedience was a pivotal rule of subjugation and manipulation.

Only God, not Church or State can give us to Chirst. And only Christ not Church or State can make us into HIS own image.

Peace to you all

Arcturus :)

hillsbororiver:
What a great thread! So many articulate and interesting observations. Yes, I can see this applying to both "worlds" but especially to the churchworld because they at least know of Him but yet do follow their own imaginations, lusts and desires, the same as the unbelieving world.

Joey, you really need to post more often!  ;D

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe

Joey Porter:
Thanks everyone.

Martymonster, I have thought many times about Jesus' words:  "A house divided against itself can not stand."  It is so clear to me now how this refers to "The house of God," and how Babylon will fall (or maybe now even is fallen). 

Joe, I am sort of "in the spirit" right now so I'm on a bit of a posting spree.

I was surfing around the site a little bit and figured I'd scan over the "Tongues" paper on Ray's site, not really expecting to get any revelations or anything, but something really stood out to me early in the paper.  It's the scripture that Ray posted, from Acts:

"And they were all [the 120 disciples of Christ] filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues [languages] as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own LANGUAGE.

And they were all amazed and marveled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak, Galileans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue [language/dialect], wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and the strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God" (Acts 2:7-11).

The parts that I underlined are what really got my attention.  Perhaps this shows us that when we "come out of Babylon," and are united by the Spirit of Truth, we begin to see and understand the things of God with a more unified mind. 

So we leave behind whatever "languages" (that is, false doctrines) that we had when we were still in Babylon, and we can then start to better see the same Truths in scripture, as opposed to seeing different things when we were still in carnal and divided babylon, when we all spoke "different languages."

It would be kind of like all of the "chosen" coming together and saying "Wow!  I used to be a baptist and you were a methodist and he was a pentecostal and she was a catholic, but now we are all seeing the same things in the scriptures!"

I'm not sure if I explained that clearly or if anyone understands what I mean.

hillsbororiver:
Hello Joey,

It is awesome when we get that "in the Spirit" recharge!

Your observation on the "tongues" verses connected with me immediately, we are doing this here constantly as we describe to each other the workings of Christ within us, the personal trials and tribulations, the peaks and valley's, the wilderness and all of the experiences we share. Describing this to someone who has not been through or is not going through these places would count it as the rantings of a lunatic!

Yes, we are now speaking the same language even though we all come from different places. Interesting, I have been in a private discussion about this as well as a few threads where this phenomenon is being addressed but what you wrote puts it even in a more incredible light.

Thank you for sharing this wonderful thought. Keep 'em coming!  ;)

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe

brothertoall:
I had this thought quite some time ago but mine was on a different out look.

 How many times I tried to build my tower of Bable. I used many bricks to build upon that tower and I too thought I was putting myself closer and closer to God and then one day my speach was changed as well as my selfish carnal way of thinking.

 My tower of Babel came crushing down as the bricks were taken out of place one by one. God has so graciously showed and still is showing be that my foundation must be made upon the ROCK  and He is slowly building that tempel on the foundation of Christ. Every once in a while I try to start a row of bricks and God has to grind them to pieces and then continue to build stone upon stone once again. He is getting me closer and closer to Him from that solid ROCK foundation.

Just a thought.

bobby

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