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Patrick:
Don't think this is over yet. ;D
When I picked up the drums (February), the music director informed me that the church needed to use some of my hardware (pedal, stands) because the member that purchased the electric set for the church did not know what accessories were needed.
I got a call Wednesday that I could pick up the rest of my stuff.
I did not see the pastor during the first trip; I had to "see" him this time because all of the hardware was in his office. We had an interesting conversation after he expressed his sadness that I was not attending church anymore.
My reply was that "God has moved me on to the meatier things"; of course the pastor asked "what do you mean?"
The first thing that came out of my mouth was Mathew 22:14 (many called, few chosen).
The pastor replied with, "many called, but few are chosen in regards to Salvation?"
"No, God will save everyone", I said and quoted 1 Tim 2:4 and 1 Tim 4:10 and that there are many more Scriptures regarding Salvation of all; I reminded him of a heated discussion 2 of the Deacons and myself had regarding God desires everyone be saved but "free will" prevents that and I told the pastor "if God desires it, do we really think puny man can defeat God, and He won't get His desires!. So, I'm speaking of the resurrections in regards to many called, few chosen."
At that point, he said, "the New Testament Christians of old all went to church, I still miss talking to you and we need to have coffee some morning so I can pick your brain." :o
??? Pick my brain? That same brain that others at the church stated was confused, way out there, and lost?
I did not say the above, but sure thought it.
So, at that time, I got my stuff, he said "thanks for everything", we shook hands, and I left.
I'm glad I don't have to drive past the church, thinking I still have to stop at some point and get my stuff, anymore.
Now, when I drive past, I'm reminded that God used me to help build that church, but God did that for a "good" reason. As Ray states in "The Synagouge of Satan" paper "God does not create things that do not serve a good purpose."
We'll see if he (pastor) calls about "picking my brain."
hebrewroots98:
Good job at being the vessleof honor for him to see in you Patrick; you planted the seed and
God will give the increase IF HE wills to. I'm glad that you got to see the fruits of your labors and hopefully he will come to his senses and hear what you were telling him.
Glad you had a good time at the conference .
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Patrick
The Pastor will have to repent first! That kind of correction might be the last thing on his mind. It will hurt like the proverbial hell he preaches and he may just head for the hills and believe you are possessed to rationalise his way out of giving up his idolatry of Mystery Babylon!....
For me, faith, Repentance, Conversion, being born again is a gift...and being ultimately SAVED is a GIFT won for us by Christ. That we all will be saved is certain. The way we are all saved will be different for those chosen and those lost though.
I think your conversation and dropping pearls before the Pastor was the reason you were placed to give words of wisdom to a heart that just might be being opened to the refreshing truth. How stale, bitter and sour the teaching of hell is by comparison!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Patrick:
--- Quote from: hebrewroots98 on June 02, 2007, 02:52:06 AM ---Good job at being the vessel of honor for him to see in you Patrick; you planted the seed and
God will give the increase IF HE wills to. I'm glad that you got to see the fruits of your labors and hopefully he will come to his senses and hear what you were telling him.
Glad you had a good time at the conference .
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Thanks, Susan.
When the music director called me and mentioned that all of my things were in "the pastors office", I had a feeling something was "up."
In the past, I would have practiced different scenarios so that I would have a "comeback" if needed.
That did not happen this time; I prayed for God to use me as He sees fit and that His Word is all that comes out of my mouth. I'm not good at memorising Scripture, but I had no problem bringing them up in the conversation.
God Willing, we'll see each other at the next conference, Susan (need more Texans ;D).
--- Quote from: Arcturus on June 02, 2007, 09:50:56 AM ---
Hello Patrick
The Pastor will have to repent first! That kind of correction might be the last thing on his mind. It will hurt like the proverbial hell he preaches and he may just head for the hills and believe you are possessed to rationalise his way out of giving up his idolatry of Mystery Babylon!....
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I know he does not take correction well; experienced this first hand when we were building the "new" church. I also know others at the church already think I'm possessed.
--- Quote from: Arcturus on June 02, 2007, 09:50:56 AM ---For me, faith, Repentance, Conversion, being born again is a gift...and being ultimately SAVED is a GIFT won for us by Christ. That we all will be saved is certain. The way we are all saved will be different for those chosen and those lost though.
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Amen!
The conversation never got that far. ;)
--- Quote from: Arcturus on June 02, 2007, 09:50:56 AM ---I think your conversation and dropping pearls before the Pastor was the reason you were placed to give words of wisdom to a heart that just might be being opened to the refreshing truth. How stale, bitter and sour the teaching of hell is by comparison!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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I'm so thankful that God has helped me burn that dung (teaching of hell) out of my heart/mind and replaced it with just how loving God the Father and God the Son really are.
Thank you, Arcturus.
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