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I'M LIVING WITH A WOMAN
Bradigans:
I'm living with a woman whom I love, and we have two kids. I'm not rationalizing, but I can't see the point of going down to some half drunk non believing magistrate or to some non standing for THE WORD denominized pastor. Mark 10:9 says - What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. God deals and His dealings are in the spiritual aren't they? Can some half drunk magistrate or hypocritical pastor who requires tithes stand in the place of God? i have no problem with getting a marriage license, i just have a problem with hypocrisy and hypocrites. I pray so much on this issue, because I'm not seeking to be justified in men's eyes, but neither do i want to bring reproach to the name of Christ. Also, what did Jesus mean when He said in Matthew 22:30 - For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. When He mentioned the word resurrection, was He referring to the spiritual rebirth into the kingdom (John 3:3) or am I taking this out of context? Thanks, and in His love,
Bradford
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Bradigans
I have copied this for your consideration from Ray's e-mail responces: Jesus Married?
« on: January 24, 2007, 06:38:38 AM »
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Dear Mr. Smith: you argue that Jesus was of the same flesh as man and inferior to God the Father. So, although the scriptures are silent on this, if he was married, I fail to see why this should have any effect on my being a Christian. Do you agree?
Leticia
Dear Laticia:
Actually, I have never "argued that Jesus was...inferior to God His Father." Jesus said that His Father was greater than He, but that is not my argument. Jesus also said that "I and My Father are ONE" (John 10:30). Although there is no specific statement that Jesus never married, there are, nonetheless, many indicators that He did not. Marriage is the fulfillment of numerous "pulls of the flesh," and therefore is entered into by even the most pious persons, with certain carnal gratifications of the flesh in mind. Jesus did NOT consummate such desires of the flesh. He said He didn't come to be served (not even by a wife), but to be a Servant, etc.
God be with you,
Ray
Also,we follow Christ not His Disciples. We could find many reasons not to follow Christ if we had to use the examples of some of His followers. So as for Angels, perhaps they have no lust.
Commitment is a blessing even if the Magistrate is drunk the document is still legal and doesn't have to go for breath analysis to hold up in courts of law. :D
My suggestion...get legal and/or blameless. There is much blessing in commitment besides which you are probalbly considered commonlaw man and wife due to your family arrangements but then again, I am not familiar with USA laws.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Pax Vobiscum:
I am not sure why I am offering opinion on this except that your post is so conflicted.
You have a dilemma, yet your are so quick to justify your situation because you think that magistrates are half-drunk (is that like half pregnant?) and pastors have been deemed beneath your nuptial quest.
Because you cannot find a sober (half sober??) magistrate or a pastor worthy to lead you down the aisle, you are not married and have children? C'mon!
Obviously you have conflicted feelings on this or you would not have asked for advice.
My advice? Remove the marital plank from your own eye so that you can see your situation clearer.
Just blowing off a little steam, brother,
Peace
Bradigans:
Thanks for the advice brothers... Keep me in your prayers. I appreciate you all's frankness...
Kat:
Hi Bradford,
I think that marriage is important for many reasons. Adam and Eve were called husband and wife (Gen 3: 6,8), so they were married by God in some way.
Here is an email from Ray, that might give you other possiblities.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2721.0.html ---------------------------
Marriage
« on: May 07, 2006, 07:00:24 PM »
hi Brother Ray, I have a question, my botfriend and I want to get married but we don't want to do it with the government. We both know that there is a marrage paper in the family bible. How do we go about it? is that a legal document? please help
thank you
love in Christ
jessica and lee
Dear Jessica:
Any Justice of the Peach at any Courthouse, or any Captain of a Cruise Ship can legally marry you for a few dollars. You can be married in any church or a wedding chapel. There are reasons to have a legal marriage license, that can be of benefit to you and your family in later life.
God be with you,
Ray
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The part of your question about Matt 22: 30, I believe Jesus is talking about after being resurrected there will not be sexual relations, because for one thing I don't believe there will be children being born, but more than that I think that the time after resurrection people will be beyond physical relationships, as I believe sex is for the flesh gratification only. that's just the way I see it :-\
Here's another email from Ray.
http://bible-truths.com/email12.htm#angels ---------------------------------------------------------
[Ray Replies]
Dear Abed:
Thank you for your email and questions.
Gen. 6 has absolutely NOTHING to do with "fallen angels." The "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" is not speaking of mortals and spirit beings. This is just another one of Christendom's fables.
Jesus plainly told us that,
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God., For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage [why? why aren't they given in marriage? Answer....] ...but are AS THE ANGELS of God in heaven" (Matt. 22:30).
The angels CANNOT MARRY (they have no 'marriage apparatus' if you know what I mean). Yet we are told in Gen. 6:2, that "they took them WIVES of all which they chose." To have a "wife" one must be "MARRIED." The sons of God and the daughters of men are BOTH HUMAN.
I believe that verse 4 of Gen. 6 is a terrible translation in the King James. Since most translators have bought into the 'angels fornicating with women' theory, most of them have a very strange translation of this verse. There are whole words in this Hebrew verse that are not even translated at all in most versions.
Notice this translation from the Concordant Version:
"Now the DISTINGUISHED come to be in the earth in those days, and moreover, afterward, coming are those who are sons of God to the daughters of the human, and they bear for them. They are the MASTERS, who are from the eon, MORTALS with the name."
Sorry I don't have time to explain the meaning of all these verses, but at least I want you to know that this is not a case of angels fornicating with women.
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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