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brothertoall:
Bradford,
Seek and pray to God and HE WILL DEFINATELY SHOW YOU AND GUIDE YOU IN WHAT TO DO IN THIS MATTER!
I will pray that for you also.
bobby
PKnowler:
--- Quote from: brothertoall on January 29, 2007, 09:05:10 AM ---Bradford I will give you my opinion on this marriage thing. First of all in the eyes of God a paper or ring on someones finger does not make a marriage. I have been married to the same women for almost 28 years and we lived together for over 5 years.
Now what man sees as marriage and what it really means are 2 different things. marriage is not the paper or the ring but consists of love ,commitment, sharing, being There for each other through the good as well as the bad.
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This is true Bobby, it takes a lot more to make a marriage than a piece of paper or ring. But without the legal proceedings there is no marriage! God requires us to follow the laws of the land not just make up our own reality. God requires the covenant of marriage for 2 to become one- Otherwise it is fornication! It doesn't matter if it is a committed relationship. A committed relationship doesn't make a marriage nor negate the sin of fornication.
Heb 13:4
Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
So the ceremony of getting married would vary according to the laws of the land.
--- Quote from: brothertoall on January 29, 2007, 09:05:10 AM ---
Should you feel guilty because you do not have that piece of paper or ring to say that you are united as one. Me personally, I don't think so.
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I think there is some conviction or he wouldn't be asking.
--- Quote from: brothertoall on January 29, 2007, 09:05:10 AM --- I am sick and tired of people trying to give there definition of marriage. Loving one another,sharing your life with one another and being committed to one another is a union my friend.
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Dear Bobby, I did not go knocking on Bradford's door to give him my opinion. So while you are sick and tired of opinions outside your own, I don't recall that the question was directed to you alone! Is my opinion of God's word of no value?
--- Quote from: brothertoall on January 29, 2007, 09:05:10 AM --- Someone brought up fornication. I do not see where that pertains to this situation. If you are both faithful to one another and you are both one that is not fornication.... And by the way I am quite sure that piece of paper or a ring on your finger is not going to change the way you feel about each other. If you both are committed to one another then in the eyes of God you are already married.
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That someone was me! Go ahead and say it, Paula brought up fornication. Bobby, you are creating your own reality. This is not what God's word says! Isn't everyone that has sex one? At what point does it cross over from being the sin of fornication to it being marriage in God's eyes?
--- Quote from: brothertoall on January 29, 2007, 09:05:10 AM --- A piece of paper and a ring does not make a marriage. LOVE for one another is what it is all about.
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Yep, you're a hippie! (I say that in the kindest way ;))
Here is what Ray has to say:
> Everyone talks about how pre-marital sex is wrong--a sin.
>
> I've been with my fiance for over 7-years. I knew I wanted to marry
> him, but we had to wait until I was out of school (I'm only 21 now). We
> waited until we knew that we really did want to marry each other.
>
> We've been having sex for a few years now. It goes off and on because I
> used to feel so guilty about it.
>
> I don't know what to think about it. What does the Bible say--or what
> does God think--of premarital sex.
Dear Reader:
Pre-marital sex is just as much a sin as extra-marital sex. If you want to
sleep together, get married. If you don't love each enough to marry,
don't sleep together..
God be with you,
Ray
--- Quote from: brothertoall on January 29, 2007, 09:05:10 AM --- Follow what God would have you to do not what man thinks you should do.
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On that we can agree!
~Paula :)
PKnowler:
--- Quote from: Craig on January 29, 2007, 01:44:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: longhorn on January 29, 2007, 11:56:35 AM ---Bradigan... To heck with the phony piece of paper signed by man, and save the money you would spend on a wedding (just to please a bunch of relatives you plobably dont like anyway) and take her on a 7 day cruise.
Longhorn
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But make sure the Captain marries you :D :D
Craig
"Us Fife's are wiry"
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Now there's an idea!
Dennis Vogel:
I haven't read any of these many posts on this subject, but just in case I want to mention that if you have a job and are paying SS you wife cannot collect unless you are legally married. And you must be married at least 7 years for her or her children to collect on your SS. At least one good reason to make it legal in the States eyes.
Dennis
Sorin:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on January 29, 2007, 12:45:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sorin on January 29, 2007, 11:39:28 AM ---
--- Quote from: brothertoall on January 29, 2007, 10:57:23 AM ---Craig you did not mention that she previously had other men befor the one she was living with. Was she committed to one man? NO!!! if she had married this ONE man would that make her committed. I take from that to mean no. Marriage does not mean that there is total commitment. Some married people have affairs do they not?
Ray has an opinion but I do not see where Ray is the authority on this subject. God is the one in control and I do not see where the srcripture speaks of ritual to make one married. it is the love ,committment and the body as being one that makes one married.
bobby
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Exactly, Bobby! If you believe a physical ritual is required to make one married than you might as well believe in physical baptisms and circumcision, etc....
The funny part is, Ray will quickly admit that a physical baptism only makes you wet, it does not baptize you, that christian baptism is a physical ritual which accomplishes nothing, but when it comes to marriage, yes, absolutely, it must be a physical ritual of the flesh otherwise it doesn't count, it's null and void.
Houston, we have a problem.
Sorin
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Do we reject Diplomas from High School or Universities using this logic?
How about Drivers Licenses?
Tax returns?
Do we fill out the forms to get a passport?
Do we fill out forms to adopt?
How do we get a checking account, a savings account?
So then legally committing ourselves to our wife or husband is less of a matter than the "rituals" and "pieces of paper" required to do all (and more) of the things listed above?
Is a family more likely to remain intact during the tough times inside or outside marriage, yes, examples can be given on both sides of the question but which is more likely?
In our heart of hearts we know the answer.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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Joe,
That does not work, because God does not care if you drive a car before getting your licence. He will not count it as sin against you. But God does care if you go to a prostitute and you sleep with her. So my point is what God considers sin and what He does not. Adam and Eve are proof that you don't need a physical ritual to be married to someone you love, unless of course you want to suggest that they fornicated 'cause they had no magistrate or pastor marry 'em and give 'em a licence. When you sleep with someone you become one flesh, thus when you just have meaningless sex and the next day you sleep with someone else you fornicated because you're commiting adultery. If you remain with that one person for the rest of your life, then she is your wife, until you leave her for someone else then you commit adultery and when the two part ways that's called a divorce. That's how I see it. God knows the intention of the heart, God is the one who gives you your mate. And He knows when you are just having meaningless sex with someone and when you're making love and the two are commited to each other for the rest of their natural lives.
The reason I would get legally married is for the physical benefits of marriage, tax cuts, if one dies, life insurance covers the wife and kids etc... but not because it's a sin not to have a physical wedding ritual. That's preposterous.
Take care,
Sorin
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