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iris:
Don't know if I've learned anything here or not ???
But its certainly been an interesting thread. :D
Peace to all
Iris
brothertoall:
1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: sansmile on February 01, 2007, 09:32:14 AM ---
My belief is, the elect are the favored children of God, but that He loves all men. What do others think?
God Bless You all
Sandie
--- End quote ---
Hi Sandie,
That is a beautiful way to put it, the Lord does (at this time) favor some (chosen) over others and will use His "favored" His Elect to bring ALL to Him.
Did not get any response to my two previous references to Romans 9 but let's try one more time, maybe 3 is the charm;
Romans 9 (Amplified Bible)
11And the children were yet unborn and had so far done nothing either good or evil. Even so, in order further to carry out God's purpose of selection (election, choice), which depends not on works or what men can do, but on Him Who calls [them],
12It was said to her that the elder [son] should serve the younger [son].
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated (held in [a]relative disregard in comparison with My feeling for Jacob).
14What shall we conclude then? Is there injustice upon God's part? Certainly not!
15For He says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and I will have compassion (pity) on whom I will have compassion.
16So then [God's gift] is not a question of human will and human effort, but of God's mercy. [It depends not on one's own willingness nor on his strenuous exertion as in running a race, but on God's having mercy on him.]
17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, I have raised you up for this very purpose of displaying My power in [dealing with] you, so that My name may be proclaimed the whole world over.
18So then He has mercy on whomever He wills (chooses) and He hardens (makes stubborn and unyielding the heart of) whomever He wills.
19You will say to me, Why then does He still find fault and blame us [for sinning]? For who can resist and withstand His will?
20But who are you, a mere man, to criticize and contradict and answer back to God? Will what is formed say to him that formed it, Why have you made me thus?(H)
21Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same mass (lump) one vessel for beauty and distinction and honorable use, and another for menial or ignoble and dishonorable use?
22What if God, although fully intending to show [the awfulness of] His wrath and to make known His power and authority, has tolerated with much patience the vessels (objects) of [His] anger which are ripe for destruction?(I)
23And [what if] He thus purposes to make known and show the wealth of His glory in [dealing with] the vessels (objects) of His mercy which He has prepared beforehand for glory,
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
sansmile:
Hi Joe,
So, in these scriptures God is showing us He uses who He chooses to magnify His power. Wether its hardening hearts or building His elect, His will is done. It's like in Job when God showed Job the foolishness of his (jobs) pride, when job thought that it was his will , God showed him that He is the potter, He has mercy with whom He wills.
(Job 10:9) Remember, I beseech thee, that thou hast made me as the clay; and wilt thou bring me into dust again?
and in Isa
isa 64:8) But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
and in Jer
(I(Jer 18:4) And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
(Jer 18:5) Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
(Jer 18:6) O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
So really, who are we to ask whom God loves more?? He is bringing about His will through using all men in His plan. We all are clay pots made by Him the potter, all marred some more than others at His hand.
God is good :)
Sandie
rocky:
Does favortism mean less love. I guess for me, that is the question. I don't think so. At times I favor one kid over another, based on reasons I deem necessary. My love doesn't change for them. I dont think God's love can have degrees of love, like I love my favored/graced child 100 degrees, and my hardened child 1 degree. So in our daily walk, are we to love others less than others. If God's spirit is in us, no; but we can favor like minded individuals over non like individuals, hopefully discerned not by the flesh but my the spirit.
I think the discussion we had earlier re; prodigal son is a good example. The elder son was less favored, but still had all of God's love, "everything I have is yours".
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