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Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Patrick

That word “struggle” is quite interesting. I can only find it once and it appears in the past tense in Ge 25 : 22  Two children struggled together within her…

H 7533 raw-tsata; a prim. Root; to crack in pieces, lit. or gif: - break, bruise, crush, discourage, oppress, struggle together.

Peace to you
Arcturus :)

Patrick:
"Struggle"

Joh 18:36

(DRB)  Jesus answered: My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would certainly strive that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now my kingdom is not from hence.

(KJV+)  Jesus2424 answered,611 My1699 kingdom932 is2076 not3756 of1537 this5127 world:2889 if1487 my1699 kingdom932 were2258 of1537 this5127 world,2889 then would my1699 servants5257 fight,75, 302 that2443 I should not3361 be delivered3860 to the3588 Jews:2453 but1161 now3568 is2076 my1699 kingdom932 not3756 from hence.1782

(RV)  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

(YLT)  Jesus answered, `My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, my officers had struggled that I might not be delivered up to Jews; but now my kingdom is not from hence.'

G75
ἀγωνίζομαι
agōnizomai
ag-o-nid'-zom-ahee
From G73; to struggle, literally (to compete for a prize), figuratively (to contend with an adversary), or generally (to endeavor to accomplish something): - fight, labor fervently, strive.


G73
ἀγών
agōn
ag-one'
From G71; properly a place of assembly (as if led), that is, (by implication) a contest (held there); figuratively an effort or anxiety: - conflict, contention, fight, race.

effort
Main Entry: ef·fort
Pronunciation: 'e-f&rt, -"fort
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Old French esfort, from esforcier to force, from ex- + forcier to force
Date: 15th century
1 : conscious exertion of power : hard work
2 : a serious attempt : TRY
3 : something produced by exertion or trying <the novel was her most ambitious effort>
4 : effective force as distinguished from the possible resistance called into action by such a force
5 : the total work done to achieve a particular end <the war effort>

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Deborah-Leigh:
Quite correct Patrick.

Fight and struggle are defined as you have pointed out.

When reading the text you found to add to this study : RV)  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.  

I am not comfortable to intechange the word fight with the word struggle to read....Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants struggle (not fight) that I should not be delivered to the Jews;.......

To fight and to struggle do not mean the same thing for me.  :(

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

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