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Deborah-Leigh:
Anne
I am so glad you caught it! Hang on to it!...... :D...in your heart too!
I believe one day we will not fret or have any anxiety about anything and in every circumstance and in everything, we will by prayer with thanksgiving we will be content in praise of God. Ref Phil 4 : 6
We are told by Jesus John 14 : 27...Do not let your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afriad. Stop allowing yourselves to be agitated and disturbed; and do not permit yourselves to be fearful and intimidated and cowardly and unsettled.
I believe that this is what we will be one day because this command will be fulfilled in us through Christ who is for us not against us. 8)
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
YellowStone:
Arcturus,
I too believe that we will one day all be free of troubled hearts and fear of any kind.
But your quote from John, really got me thinking :)
John 14 : 27...Do not let your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afriad. Stop allowing yourselves to be agitated and disturbed; and do not permit yourselves to be fearful and intimidated and cowardly and unsettled.
Seeing how it was none other than Jesus himself who commanded these words, has led me to believe that we should not let our hearts be troubled..... Do you think that this instruction has a direct link to Kat's original post? Jesus has given us a way out of such fear and anxiety and just like the disciples on the boat in rough waters, it has to do with Faith. :)
1John 5:4 Because, whatsoever hath been born(begotten) of God, overcometh the world; and, this, is the victory that hath overcome the world—our faith.
Now here is the question; John writes that it is "our faith" that has led us to overcome the world, or have we?
Mat 14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth [his] hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
Certainly this a major test of face that Peter faced; his faith wavered and he fell. Yet how similiar is this to the trials and tribulations we all face daily. Our faith is too tested and I can almost hear Christ speak to me directly when I let anything bother me to the point of worry or fear. "Oh you of little faith, why do you doubt?"
I might be wrong here and if so, I glady seek correction, but it seems to me that CHrists command of: "Do not let your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afriad. Stop allowing yourselves to be agitated and disturbed; and do not permit yourselves to be fearful and intimidated and cowardly and unsettled." is something we should keep very close to our heart and soul, always.
Just my thoughts, comments welcome :)
Love to you,
Darren
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Darren
Our faith IS CHRIST. Our faith is not OUR strength it is CHRISTS STRENGTH.
We have not overcome the world only Christ has. The promise and our HOPE is that we will overcome.
Only Jesus has paid the price to overcome the world. The price HE paid was to lay down HIS LIFE and receive HIS death, the cup He drank on HIS cross 2000 years ago. Only Christ had the power to lay down His life and take it up again. It is through Christ alone that any of us are empowered to lay down our lives. Without Christ we can do NOTHING.
Gal 2 : 20 I have been crucified with Christ in Him I have shared SHARED HIS....HIS crucifixion; it is not longer I who live, but Christ the Messiah lives in me, and the life I now live in the body I live by faith OF....OF, by adherence OF and reliance OF and complete trust OF the Son of God Who loved ME and gave HIMSELF up for ME.
Rom 4 : 16 Therefore inheriting the promise is the outcome of faith and depends entirely on faith, in order that it might be GIVEN as an act of GRACE, UNMERITED FAVOR to make it stable and VALID and GUARANTEED to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all.
From Moses to Christ is law and from Christ to now is Grace.....by Grace through faith OF Christ we are saved. Our work is to believe.
John 6 : 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that you believe on Him whome He has sent.
You ask : Do you think that this instruction has a direct link to Kat's original post?
I don't see Kat as an enemy in the house of God. She is a builder. ... and Ray's got the roof! The part assigned to me might just be the a small section in the anterior of the building where the floor needs levelling or maybe I am putting in a window I do not know. What do you think?
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
YellowStone:
Hi Arcturus,
We certainly do see things from a different perspective (by the will of God and not our own for sure)
But please know that I never once suggested that "Kat as an enemy in the house of God." (Your words not mine) Nor did the thought ever enter into my mind.
Perhaps this should have been sent to you as a PM, but I need everyone who reads this thread to know that I have zero animosity towards anyone on this forum. Of course Arcturus that includes you! :)
I asked : Do you think that this instruction has a direct link to Kat's original post?
Simply because Peter's faith faltered when he needed it. Can the same not be said for most if not all here. Certainly me.
But Christ did say:
John 14 : 27...Do not let your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afriad. Stop allowing yourselves to be agitated and disturbed; and do not permit yourselves to be fearful and intimidated and cowardly and unsettled.
Sounds like good advice to me. I am sorry you took it another way. :(
Your brother in Christ,
Darren
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Darren
What I am trying to point out is the diversity of the body of Christ. It is okay if one sees and the other one hears. It is okay to have different perspectives. We measure the fruit of the spirit in order to know one another. Do we build up or break down? Do we share what we see and hence strengthen the overall view or do we think we alone have all the answers. You see, together we are able to bring a bigger picture than what otherwise we would be able to do alone, separate and not willing to share.
If I thought you were inferring that Kat is an enemy I surely would be more direct. Sometimes what we can share is not the same as what another member can share and this is not to be seen as contentious but rather enriching. Our diversity is a strength. You see one thing and I see another. Kat brings her insights and someone else adds theirs. Unless there is seen to be one up man ship or competition for the spotlight at the expense of another persons offerings, then the Mods get involved to stop strife or conflict. If you see what I see then great. If not then that too is okay.
This is not a battle line to draw support and create division it is a place of building up and encouraging one another in spirit and in truth not in motives to beat one another in a contest or appear more worthy or higher up in any virtue of Christ. Now I know you have NOT said and inferred and perhaps not even thought about what I am communicating here. That is just my point. This is what I am saying not to get agreement or to start up one side against another side or sides. We all see things differently. If you see the tail of an elephant and I see its foot can you imagine what a dispute we will be in if we try to get agreement that we are looking at the same animal. Some of our thoughts are going to be very aligned to others who view things from a similar or a more closely aligned perspective and vantage point. Our fellowship is not to have everyone agree that an elephant looks like its tail or its foot, but to share and communicate what we see in a safe, strife free forum. When battle lines are drawn and cause for hurt feelings and offence starts being displayed, then pride is often in the origin of such contentions. Immaturity and perceived injury where there is non, is also one of the parameters of group discussions that are being steered away from by the Mods to avoid emotional meltdowns.
You are not accused for my saying that I do not see Kat as an enemy. I did not say you said she is either. My point is that although one may bring into focus a truth and another may bring in another point of view, that this is not a fearful encounter unless of course there is one who is trying to obtain approval or a following. I recall Joe very aptly explaining this concept that we do not see the same things at the same times as one another because no two people can stand on the same spot at the same time. It is good if I look north and you look south we can get a bigger picture through the simple art of communicating what we see. It is better if what I see adds to what you see and visa versa. If in error we can also rely on others sharing what they see and holding up what anyone has to say against the word of God to see if it is correct and proper or if it is untrue and deceptive. This is the training ground in the Forum in which we all share in the exercise of the spirit of truth and we can encourage one another to become trained in the knowledge of His word as we continue to discover His truths and His ways and His thoughts which are of far more value than what we think or can ever say. It is wonderful when understanding comes out of communication. Agreement and being right is not the aim. Sharing the greater knowledge of God and Christ is our participation and privilage to both give and recieve through this Forum. That for me defines fellowship not in person or personal agreements but in spirit and in truth that gives a glimpse of His Spirit and of His Truth that is for me, an unmerited favor of Grace and Mercy. I hope you understand and if you do not, don't worry, neither fret yourself to be agitated and disturbed; and do not permit yourself to be fearful and intimidated and cowardly and unsettled.
This direction is practised to be perfected and Christ is the perfection of this level of overcoming the world and all it could ever say or do. While we are not of the world we are still in it....
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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