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Should sons of God have any contact with the unsaved?
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: PKnowler on February 11, 2007, 02:40:49 PM ---Arcturus,
I understand that no one is saved now, God is saving us. But I don't recall reading anything of Ray's where he refutes being born again. Someone had posted some links of Ray's where he talks about it but I think that thread was deleted.
Can someone give me those links where Ray refutes being born again?
Thanks, Paula
--- End quote ---
Hi Paula,
Ray touches on this matter of "born again" really being "conceived again" while we are still in this flesh, we are spiritually conceived in the here and now but truly "born again" at the resurrection, when we receive our new (spiritual) bodies, incoruptable & immortal.
Look at the Greek in John Chapter 3;
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born1080 again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
G1080
γεννάω
gennaō
ghen-nah'-o
From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate: - bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.
Ray explains that the Greek root word is used for both conception and birth, he does a much better job than I am capable of doing, you can hear it in the September Conference audio, I believe it is the first topic listed.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
P.S. Below is a link to a thread we had going on this topic a while back.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1833.0.html
Kat:
Hi Paula,
I found these emails of Ray's, each one have a reply concerning 'born again'.
All of these put together cover the subject pretty well :)
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3403.0.html
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3227.0.html
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2835.0.html
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2530.0.html
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1859.0.html
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1309.0.html
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,96.0.html
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
PKnowler:
Thanks for the info and links Joe and Kat!
I will take some time and go through them. For some reason I'm glad to hear that I am not completely born again yet.
I know that I still sin and hope that when I am truly born again I will no longer sin! Being born of the incorruptible seed.
1Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
This answers some other questions I have too about sinning.
1 John 5:18
We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him.
I have much to learn!
Blessings, Paula :)
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Paula
To add, here are two more links on this topic.
Enjoy!
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2682.0.html
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2619.0.html
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Nancy:
Hi there Ayanal and all,
I thought that we were not supposed to judge others. If they say they believe, then who are we to judge them. We are surely being perfected, we are not perfect yet. I used to be very judgmental towards my Jewish in laws, but God helped me to love them as they are and although they don't wear crosses or anything, my mother in law has softened to my view of spiritual things.
I have a really hard time with St. Pauls' view of not being unequally yoked. How do we really know who is spiritual and who is a wolf in sheeps' clothing. You can be spiritual without even knowing it and not spiritual, even when you think you have the monoply on God. I do not see people as saved and unsaved, otherwise my head would blow and I cannot say to myself 'I'd better not befriend that person in case they are not a believer'! I can't do that. I want to just see people as all of Gods' children.
God bless
Nancy
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