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another NOOB question :)
ertsky:
sorry about that Craig
i always thought the spirit of God is the holy spirit
dang i sure could use some instruction about now :)
verses like these
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
God help me i only want to get it right
f
Chris R:
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and when the devil challenges our sonship let us remind him that he is a liar from the beginning by knowing the scriptures as God's spirit has taught them to us.
f
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Hi ,
Satan has no "agenda" That God himself did not first ordain. Satan does not run Satan, God does. This is evident all through Scipture.
By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his [Gods] hand hath formed the crooked serpent. [Job 26:13]
"And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job", [Job 1:8]
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.[Isa 45:7]
It was none other than God who "told" Satan to test Job. So God is in complete control of His creation, including Satan.
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I [God] raised thee up, that I [God] might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. [Rom 9:17-18].
One of the hardest things i had to overcome, was the ability to accept these few verses, This is Gods plan, not My plan, And God will use me for His purpose, As Christ taught us to pray "Thy will be done".
There is nothing I can do in and of myself that will change Gods plan one iota, There is no good thing i have ever done that i can boast about. Everything is of God, And RIGHTLY SO, All praise goes to the Father.
This is a bitter pill to swallow, That we do not direct our own steps, sure we read the scriptures, But do we really believe them?
In fear and trembling we work out our OWN salvation, WHY?....Why in "fear and trembling"... I do every single day, I do because i know that God will create circumstances for me that will change me instantly, Also for you, and everyone posting on this forum.
Peace
Chris R
ertsky:
--- Quote ---Hi ,
Satan has no "agenda" That God himself did not first ordain. Satan does not run Satan, God does. This is evident all through Scipture.
By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his [Gods] hand hath formed the crooked serpent. [Job 26:13]
"And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job", [Job 1:8]
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.[Isa 45:7]
It was none other than God who "told" Satan to test Job. So God is in complete control of His creation, including Satan.
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I [God] raised thee up, that I [God] might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. [Rom 9:17-18].
One of the hardest things i had to overcome, was the ability to accept these few verses, This is Gods plan, not My plan, And God will use me for His purpose, As Christ taught us to pray "Thy will be done".
There is nothing I can do in and of myself that will change Gods plan one iota, There is no good thing i have ever done that i can boast about. Everything is of God, And RIGHTLY SO, All praise goes to the Father.
This is a bitter pill to swallow, That we do not direct our own steps, sure we read the scriptures, But do we really believe them?
In fear and trembling we work out our OWN salvation, WHY?....Why in "fear and trembling"... I do every single day, I do because i know that God will create circumstances for me that will change me instantly, Also for you, and everyone posting on this forum.
Peace
Chris R
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that's what i believe as well Chris, i don't think there was a word in that post of yours that i don't agree wholeheartedly with.
but i thought the question to hand was
is God's spirit in ALL now ?
so i posted various verses to explain why i believe the answer to that question is no.
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
and then further to that
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
so i was a bit confused by your post there firstly because i already believe everything in it and i thought that would be obvious to anyone that has read my posts
secondly i couldn't see how it related to the discussion at hand
i assure anyone reading that i'm only trying to be clear and concise as to what i believe and why i believe it.
f
to further clarify i am posting my position so that it may be confirmed or else corrected
i believe all men are in God but not God is in all men (not yet, i believe He will be)
else why does the scripture say
Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
it says though He be not far from each one of us, why doesn't it say He is in all people.
as i say confirmation or correction
i just want to get it right
and bless you all for your patience
f
Chris R:
Hello,
Thankyou for your note back, Yes i believe that Gods spirit is in all mankind,
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
This scripture makes it evident that Gods spirit is given to all men.
But the word in itself "spirit" seems to have many different applications, i'm just not sure what your really asking?
John 14:17 "Spirit of truth"?
Num 5:14 "the spirit of jealousy"
Exd 28:3 "the spirit of wisdom"
Deut 2:30 "God hardened his spirit"
Jdg 9:23 "Then God sent an evil spirit"
1Sa 1:15 "sorrowful spirit"
1Sa 28:8 "familiar spirit"
Rom 11:8 "spirit of slumber"
1Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Peace
Chris R
ertsky:
--- Quote ---sorry about that Craig
i always thought the spirit of God is the holy spirit
dang i sure could use some instruction about now Smile
verses like these
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
God help me i only want to get it right
f
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i thought it was obvious from this post that i thought it was being suggested that the holy spirit was in all men now
i'm a bit disconcerted by all this
i suppose it goes to show just how sometimes you think something is obvious and then it turns out it isn't
so Chris
are you saying that God's spirit is in all men but that spirit is not the holy spirit ?
obviously from my earlier posts i wondered how to reconcile that view with
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
anyways
i wish to make it clear i am not into arguing for arguing's sake as i am sure you also feel this way Chris
i'll think about all this and post again should it become necessary
f
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