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another NOOB question :)
hillsbororiver:
Frank, don't be troubled, it is too late for me to continue tonight but we will find His Truth so don't sweat it Brother. You are not dishonoring Him.
You are seeking Him!
Joe
worm:
--- Quote from: parsonssc ---
If a person would tell me he is one of the chosen, or if I started to believe I was myself, then I would say that I/they are not the chosen.
Being the chosen of God is to be an overcomer, and overcoming is a life-long process. We will know if we are chosen when we awaken at the first ressurection and not until. I believe even in Paul's writings he doesn't claim to be the chosen, he is hopeful and says he has done all he can do to overcome, and finish the race.
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I fully agree with you Craig...to be an overcomer is a journey...a process to salvation :D
how to know the Holy Spirit is in you?
I've struggled with the same question and the answer given was "by the fruits you will know them"
and the one greatest of all is LOVE...and I'm talking about the agape love here God has for us...I've found that the more I think and act like God the more these fruits multiply...
to think and act like God is to love everyone...to love your enemy...to give without expecting anything back...to speak a word of kindness when you are ill-treated...to forgive the sins of others against you as God forgives our trespasses...to admit when you were wrong...
these kinda things are really hard to do for ANY man...as we want to react when we're hurt...when we give something we expect something back...but the more we start getting into this agape love which only God can teach us how to live out, the less the weight becomes on our shoulders...and I think that is the burden Christ is talking about that is lighter than that of the world...
if one can hold NOTHING against anybody, doesn't matter what they do to you, that would be the ultimate "Spirit in us" I feel...just as Christ said at His crucifixtion..."Father forgive them, they don't know what they're doing"...if we can change our curses into blessings, I think we will have come a LONG way
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PS and as for David not having the Holy Spirit...sheesh...he must have been one mighty person to have slain so many giants by himself...and seeing Jesus sitting on the right hand side of God could surely not have been by his own power?
jennie:
It is hard to rise above the natural man. We want to be right, have the answers, have people give their approval to us and so on. That is part of being huamn. That is what the Bible teaches us in verse after verse to try to overcome. Love others more than ourselves, see people as God sees them. It's hard but when we turn loose of us and let God work freely in us it changes everything!
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver ---Frank, I believe both to be true, think of all the parables with seed, grow, harvest, etc. and also the seed that does not take root, or begins to grow then withers, aren't we being grown into sons and daughters of Him? Where is that growth taking place, in spirit.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Hos 10:12 Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.
Mat 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field:
Mat 13:32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.
I am seeing the breath of life, the Spirit of God as the mustard seed planted in the dust of the earth. Seeking the Lord in all things is what makes it grow, producing the fruits of the Spirit.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Does seeking the Spirit of Christ nurture Him in you? What do you think?
Joe
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Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The seed of Christ which is in all is nurtured to maturation by the latter rain which is His Spirit, the overcomers (the elect) will produce the fruits of the Spirit. The "rain" is not absorbed by the rocky soil (the many).
But our promise is eventually all will finally grow in His Spirit.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
hillsbororiver:
Job 29:23 And they waited for me as for the rain; and they opened their mouth wide as for the latter rain.
Jer 5:24 Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.
Hos 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
Zec 10:1 Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to everyone grass in the field.
Jam 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
We know the "rain" represents God's Spirit, and it rains on all, the just and the unjust.
Joe
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