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longhorn:
I recommend sub-lingual JD Red Label.

Longhorn

DWIGHT:
Robin, Susan, Jackie Lee and Anne,

My dear sisters, my heart goes out to all of you.  I feel for all of you and pray the our Lord will give each of you a way that you may be able to bear.  This seems to go beyond words, all of us must take you all to the Lord and lift you up before Him. 

    "3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
7 And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation." ll Cor. 1: 3-7.

My prayers are with you all.

Dwight

Robin:
Here are a couple of emails I got from Ray that were helpful and might be helpful to some others who are struggling.

Dear Robin:
We are all hard nuts to crack, as you state.  There are so many areas of our lives that can cause us heartache, and depression. Few indeed have financial independence, freedom from aches and pains, marital problems, children problems, mental and spiritual problems, plus the evil of the world that we witness daily.  Even the Apostle Paul had to proclaim that he had "to LEARN" to be content. But here is the full context (in the Concordant Version) of his statement:
 
Phi 4:5 Let your lenience be known to all men: the Lord is near.

Phi 4:6 Do not worry about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God,

Phi 4:7 and the peace of God, that is superior to every frame of mind, shall be garrisoning your hearts and your apprehensions in Christ Jesus."

Phi 4:8 For the rest, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is grave, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is agreeable, whatever is renowned - if there is any virtue, and if any applause, be taking these into account."

Phi 4:9 What you learned also, and accepted and hear and perceived in me, these be putting into practice, and the God of peace will be with you."

Phi 4:10 Now I rejoiced in the Lord greatly that at length, for once your disposition toward me blossomed, to which you were disposed also, yet you lacked occasion."

Phi 4:11 Not that I am hinting at a want, FOR I LEARNED to be content in that in which I am."

Phi 4:12 I am aware what it is to be humbled as well as aware what it is to be superabounding. In everything and among all am I initiated, to be satisified as well as to be hungering, to be superabounding as well as to be in want."

Phi 4:13 For all am I strong in Him Who is invigorating me - Christ!

Phi 4:14 Moreover, you do ideally in your joint contribution in my affliction."

Phi 4:15 Now you Philippians also are aware that, in the beginning of the evangel, when I came out from Macedonia, not one ecclesia participates with me in the matter of giving and getting, except you only,

Phi 4:16 for in Thessalonica also, you send, once and twice, to my need."

Phi 4:17 Not that I am seeking for a gift, but I am seeking for fruit that is increasing for your account."

Phi 4:18 Now I am collecting all, and am superabounding. I have been filled full, receiving from Epaphroditus the things from you, an odor fragrant, a sacrifice acceptable, well pleasing to God."

Phi 4:19 Now my God shall be filling your every need in accord with His riches in glory in Christ Jesus.

Phi 4:20 Now to our God and Father be glory for the eons of the eons! Amen!

Our prayers are with you, Robin, and with all those who are struggling through life. There is a great reason for it all.  It is a painful thing to be birthed into the family of God.

God be with you,

Ray


Dear Robin:

I think that you are confusing "gift" with "fruit." God gives us the "gift" of faith to start the ball rolling , so to speak, but he does not at the same time gift us with "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithFULNESS, gentleness and self-control" so that we can then live a righteous and good life. We must all PRODUCE, YIELD, BRING FORTH, and BEAR much fruit. All of these terms are used in Scripture and all of them are a process of growth, they are not supernatural gifts.

God be with you,

Ray


Both of these emails were very helpful with my understanding. I had it all wrong. I thought we would have a Pentecostal type of filling of the Holy Spirit that would give us fruit as a gift. Ray explained that it is faith that is the gift and the fruit is a process of growth. God promised me at one point that he would write the laws on my heart, which to me meant that Christ would be written on my heart. It really took my breath away when I learned that. I think now though that it won't truly be completed until we are resurrected. I was a little disappointed when learning that after I got here, but that does not take away from that amazing promise. I just jumped the gun with my interpretation of it. I could just imagine being totally filled with Christ to overflowing. I just could hardly wait. Then as time went on and it didn't happen I thought maybe my Pastor was right and my beliefs were only leading me to despair. I was fortunate to find Ray and all you when I did. I was starting to doubt that I knew the truth. You all confirmed that I did and there was a lot more truth to add to it here.

When I saw that Peace and Joy were fruit it prompted me to email Ray. Through the email I realized that I was being carnal in my desire to have Peace and Joy. I was wanting to escape from the fiery trials. The fruit that we bear we bear unto God. It is for his pleasure, not mine.

Romans 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God

The lessons get harder and harder.

Luke 12:48
But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

I can see the truth in the absolute that Ray speaks of that I'm thankful that Arcturus kept pointing out. I can shout it out for everyone, but when it comes to myself in the relative it's like Peter trying to walk on water. I doubt and I sink sometimes. The obstacles in my life seem as impossible as trying walk on water. And Jesus said "Why do you doubt?"

Matthew 14
 28And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.

 29And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.

 30But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.

 31And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?


I thank you all for giving me a boost in my faith. I feel like I have multiple personalities at times the way I can go back and forth between faith and doubt. Walk on water one minute and sink the next. Another parable. Paul made it to the end and I find courage from his testimony. The things he went through by the grace of God can give us all hope.

Many prayers for you all!

I think I've rambled on and on again. :)

gmik:
MG & Jackie.  Thank you for sharing from your hearts w/ us.  I stand in awe at your strong testimony of the power of God in your lives.  Think of the joys that await you!

For years I had the migraines, and then muscle/joint pain which I thought was Fibromyalgia.  I did some holistic treatments but I was in pain all the time and then depression, menopause, and TMJ adn Mortons Neuroma.  What it boiled down to was I resorted to prescription drugs. Well, I broke out in a horrible rash and gained weight like crazy!!!!  After about 5 years I quit the sleeping pills, now have a low dosage anti-depressant/pain reliever, and thyroid pill and cholesterol.  My pain in my joints have settled into my hands and knees (old arthur itis). 
Some might remember I was in hospital for 5 days last October w/ anemia.

You know, I prayed all that time but never thought I was REALLY sick.  I hardly let anyone know(except at home).  I know I need to lose weight and exercise but I am half hearted at best.

I am not comparing myself to you two, because your trials are much more serious.  I just want you to know that you are not alone and we love you and care about you.  MG has been around for a long time (Robin!) but Jackie you are part of this family now too.

Let us pray one for another and build each other up.  This has been a blessed thread.

hebrewroots98:
I want to say (before I forget) that I believe that Pauls' infirmities were (as he stated in 2Cor.12:7)....simply that due to all of his worldly wisdom and knowledge  then he was in danger daily of exaulting himself instead of the Lord.  (Pau knew as many as 7 languages), he had worldly and religious power and prestige, spiritual revelations and spiritual knowledge...in other words, he was so smart both physically and spiritually that he could very easily bragg on himself and the spiritual power/revelations that God had imparted to him alone; thus, he had to work hard to keep that boasting in check!  How many men are used of God as Paul was used to carry the good news to so many Jews and Gentiles?

Thank you Dwight for your blessings and prayers.  I did not write all of my ailments in the last post b/c I don't want to sound like I'm a hypochondriac or like I am trying to get attention or sympathy; but since we are sharing, I might as well be open and honest while we are all on the subject so that everyone here might have a better understanding of what goes on physically with me on a daily basis, that way, if you notice an inconsistancy or something else, it is probably attributed to one of the following health problems. 

Gena, I can feel for you and all of the ailments that you suffer with everyday, and I can relate  \with you b/c I too suffer with anemia, how is yours right now?  ...I have PICA (where I crave ice...I eat 4+ bags of soft Sonic ice per week; ha, I keep them in business ;)) and have had to have a unit of bovine (cow) iron in the past...then once I was filled with this iron, I didn't eat ice for a year.  :)  I am also on prenatal vitamins with iron (ha... prenatal for an ole' menopausal lady ;).) (This anemia still zaps my energy even while being on all of these things)...

Then there is the thyroid disease...If I do not take this synthetic thyroid meds each day, then my heart will eventually slow down so much that it would STOP ...lol.)

So, between the Gulf War Syndrom/DU poisoning, anemia, pica, thyroid problems/ and peri menopusal hormones getting low,  I tend to get exhausted quite often...But, what is truly amazing is that God is so good to give me strength everyday b/c i could easily be bedridden everyday for sure!  I look healthy enough and get around alright (and I am a bit overweight b/c I have NO metabolism due to the last lobe of my thyroid getting nuked in the war)...the left lobe was surgically removed before the war....which when they took my thyroid, they cut off my 'para thyroid' glands  to where now I have been zapped of my calcium in my blood too), so...all of the above as well as major back problems/aches and spasms ...degenerative disc disease and scoliosis...(they want to do back surgury, but I refuse to let them)/ peri menopausal which causes hormonal imbalances...(all of this and I am only 45 yo).... these are my thorns in the flesh and I try to thank God for them, but, I  throw a pitty party at times too :'( :'( ...talk about energy zappers!  So, now if I don't say anything and you notice a poor attitude, it could be these trials; just PM me and tell me about it!  I do take plenty of suppliments to try to aleviate all that I can without an MD and I thank God for them b/c they help alot.  I know that others suffer much worse than I, and I will be praying for you all.

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