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dboutwell:
If yall don't mind, will you please tell me how you explain Daniel 12:2?

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

I feel that I can give a good reason for the hope that is in me concerning the salvation of all people, but this one passage gives me trouble. "Contempt" doesn't give me trouble, but "awake" does. When is this awakening?

I might add, too, that the people that I would be explaining the good news to, are pre trib, rapture...futurist, people.  Is there any way to explain it so they can understand without saying..."well, it's like this, Jesus ain't comin back. He came in AD70..."   

I might as well close up shop and go home because I will have lost my audience. Any help out there??
 
Thanks,

Debbie

Sorin:
"Contempt" doesn't give me trouble, but "awake" does. When is this awakening?"

Simple. This awakening is the Resurrection. When exactly it will be, it does not tell us.
The problem with Christians is they don't believe they ever die, therefore they have no need for a resurrection. Likewise the rapturists have no need for a resurrection, since they believe they'll never die also. But if we never die then what's so amazing about Christ being risen, since even we don't die? And what's the point of having a resurrection of  living, conscience souls? How do you resurrect back to life, the living?   Man I swear I would get kicked out of every church.   :D

DWIGHT:
Hi Debbie,

I just want to Amen what Sorin just said.  They just don't believe that they're going to die and really be dead!!  The Bible is very clear that the dead sleep; that is, the spirit goes back to God and the soul goes to hades (the place of the unknown or the imperceptable), and the body returns to the dust.  The awakening is just that, they awake from their sleep in the resurrection.  There is a first resurrection for the firstfruits who reign in the Kingdom of God and there is a second resurrection for all mankind; the just and the unjust.  These will be raised to judgement at God's great white throne and then be purified by God's consuming fire.

But Debbie, to try and pursuade these people of these truths is impossible unless God reveals it to them.  That's why we have come here to fellowship with those of like mind in Christ.  We were all blind until God had mercy on us and turned on the light. 

Sorin's right, he/us would get kicked out of every church in Christianity :o  I hope this helps you sister.  Your'e always welcome to fellowship here.....we're not so bad. ;D

Your brother,

Dwight

dboutwell:
Thanks for your replies guys.  Let me see if I can put this together....for my own benefit, first.  There seems to be three views of things, now that I'm on this site :)

this could cause some serious laughter......

1. the futurist view..believers will be raptured, believers who have already died are in heaven....unbelievers will die and be raised again at the end of the thousand years to go through the lake of fire then somewhere in there God becomes all in all.

2. the preterist view...Jesus came back in AD 70 and fulfilled all prophecy. All are righteous?? and all instantly go to be with the Lord when they die??? Don't know when the resurrections take place

3. the soul sleep view....everyone is unconscious when they die until they are resurrected to be rewarded or condemned...lake of fire???

See, I told yall I didn't have the eschatology thing down yet. But I would really like to. I am in the process of building a web site because many of my family members and friends know that I believe all will eventually be with God. They may not admit it, but I know some of them would like to know why I believe that. We are not an argumentive bunch at all so they probably won't approach me with it, unless, they think it will send me to hell.

Any clarification is appreciated    ???

Debbie

YellowStone:
Amen again Sorin and also to you Dwight :)

The whole concept of dieing and then being resurrected is insane to every christian I know. However, the concept of there not being a resurrection / awakening considering the Word of God that refutes this very belief to the core is even more insane. Simply unbelievable; why they do not even believe the prayer they pray each sunday: "Our Father who art in Heaven,....thy Kingdom come...thy will be done....."  Amazing/

I also believe Ray refutes the word Everlasting rendering of `owlam [5769]

You can read his expose here  http://bible-truths.com/aeonion.htm

Great question though, Debbie :)

Love in Christ,
Darren

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