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God's only begotten Son
YellowStone:
Joey, for all its worth, I agree with your last statement 100% :)
I believe that as God the Father is eternal, so too is the Son.
Love,
Darren
YellowStone:
Alan wrote:
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning (of creation=Gen 1:1) and the ending (when death is destroyed, Christ is in subjection to God and God is all in all), saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Ah....Alan now I see where you and I differ in our reasoning.
I do not believe that the beginning refers to creation and neither do I agree that the end is when death is destroyed. Rather I believe that both God and Christ always were, are, and always will be, that they both are the Alpha and the Omega. Have you noticed that it is Jesus is referring to himself as the "Almighty?".
Does that make sense?
Love,
Darren
Joey Porter:
--- Quote from: YellowStone on February 20, 2007, 12:13:14 AM ---Joey, for all its worth, I agree with your last statement 100% :)
I believe that as God the Father is eternal, so too is the Son.
Love,
Darren
--- End quote ---
Hi Darren. Here's another thing to consider. That is the concept of time. When exactly did eternity mesh into time? Or more precisely, when did God create time? Christ would have had to have existed before the existence of time, because time was created. And we know that all things (including time) were created through Christ.
In other words, how could the first 3 "days" spoken of in Genesis be literal days as we understand them in our concept of time? Notice that the sun was not even created until the fourth day. And we know that a ''day'' is constituted by the earth making a complete rotation, facing and turning away from the sun.
So, if Christ was already in or with God before time, and before all creation, how does that relate to the concept of eternity? I don't claim to have all understanding on this complex issue, but I also think the scriptures are clear that Christ is not a part of "creation," or at least, not a part of the creation which is subjected to the bondage of decay. :)
YellowStone:
Joey,
I understand exactly what you are saying. Even the concept of the speed of light (Light yrs) is solely reliant on our measurement of time and that is how long the Earth takes to rotate on its axis. When one begins to consider that many scientists believe that could be as many as 100 billion galaxies, our concept of time seems puny indeed. :)
But here is where it get's tricky, regardless of the measurement scale used, there has to be a then, is and future. Which fits with Christs own words:
Rev 1:8 ".....saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
It is my understanding that the "is" begins on the fourth "day" of creation.
Another thing that we must never forget, and that is how many God "days'' were there before the first day of creation? I think this is where the concept of eternity begins, because there is no way of measuring or even comprehending?
Fascinating don't you think? :)
Adds a whole new perspective to the following:
Rom1:20
* For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse[/color]
Great post Joey,
Love,
Darren
Bradigans:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but i think what you're saying is that Jesus is THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, just as Eve was begotten of father Adam from his heart.
Now Adam wasn't a begotten Son but a made son. Genesis 2:7 says - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (THE SPIRIT); and man became a living soul. It's almost like Pinnochio.
Anyway, Jesus didn't come in this way. He did not come out of the dust to get into physical creation. He was begotten of THE FATHER or He was the Begotten of THE FATHER as Eve was of Adam. John 1:18 - No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom (THE RIB TAKEN AWAY) of the Father, he hath declared him.
1 Corinthians 15:45-46 - And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. This is why i'm beginning to believe that Adam was made to fall.
Hebrews 2:10 - For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
IN HIS LOVE,
Bradford
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