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gmik:
Wow.  I am blessed by this thread!!

Deborah-Leigh:
The Myth of "Free Will" Exposed - Part C

Excerpts:

This “experience of evil” is not the purpose or goal of human existence, but this is indeed the process by which God is bringing His Sons and Daughters into glory! Most translations have hidden the meaning of this verse of Scripture. The translations just couldn’t believe that God would do such a thing. They see it all around them. They see it in thousands of Scriptures, but they just couldn’t bring themselves to come right out and say it, as God obviously has stated in the original Hebrew of this verse.
“It is an EXPERIENCE of EVIL that God has given to the sons of humanity to HUMBLE them by it.”
And to this agrees the rest of Scripture:
“For ALL his days are SORROWS, and his travail [experience] GRIEF…”  (Ecc. 2:23).
The destiny of the human race is indeed GLORIOUS, but the journey is filled with evil and sorrow. This not to say that there are not many beautiful and good things in life, but for most the misery far far outweighs the pleasurable.
Do not be deceived: when Jesus said—“…I am come that they might have life and that they might have it more abundantly” (John 10:10), He was surely not speaking about this life, now, in the flesh! Contrary to the evil teachings of prosperity ministers, Jesus never promised us LARGER HOMES AND GREATER MATERIAL POSSESSIONS after we start following in His steps.
Jesus said that if we leave our parents, families, houses and possessions for His sake that we would receive a hundred fold of parents, families, houses and possessions NOW. But He was not speaking of receiving back NOW, these same PHYSICAL parents, families, and possessions, but rather the families and possessions we would receive NOW would be SPIRITUAL.
Does anyone really believe that if we leave our PHYSICAL PARENTS that He will give us another, different set of PHYSICAL PARENTS?   Well, yes, I guess there are those who are so spiritually ignorant that they might really believe that they will receive a brand new set of BIRTHING PARENTS to take the place of the ones they left.  However, the truth is: “…the words that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT…” (John 6:63).
CLAY DOES NOT POSSESS SELF-DETERMINISM
“God is the Potter; we are the clay.” When will we ever humble ourselves and believe the Word of God? This is GOD’S metaphor, not mine. Clay does not possess the power to thwart the plans of the Potter. Yet Christians profess that they possess a power that can thwart the purpose of God, and they even go so far as to say that God Himself gave to them this God-thwarting power. Do some think that when they exercise their “free will” contrary to God’s purpose that maybe “THEY are the Potter and God is the clay?”
And so, God has “obscured” his heart from seeing and understanding this Spiritual Truth. It takes a supernatural revelation from God to “spiritually discern” this deepest of human mysteries. And it is for the very fact that it is from the very HEART of man that he presumes to take to himself a presumed power GREATER THAN GOD HIMSELF, that He will “PUNISH HIS [MAN’S] ARROGANT AND HAUGHTY HEART.”
We are “accountable” for what comes out of our arrogant heart, but God is “responsible” for giving us such an heart in the first place.
Ignorantly assuming that one has a “free will” is a sin for which God can grant repentance [NOW]. But is “Arrogantly” clinging to this idol of the heart after God has shown it to you in His Word is BLASPHEMY, which assuredly will be punished [LATER]!  


For me visualisation techniques, feel good new age teachings and Christian doctrines all aim towards carnal objectives.They do not uncover the Kingdom of God and niether does Mystery Babylon teachings that use scriputre to endorse  errors and heresy. For me deceptive and erroneous teaching leads to self and not to the knowledge and comprehensive insight into the ways and thoughts of God because they do not show God, His way or His truths.

By contrast....the excerpts from LOF for me show clearly Gods ways and truths.  Elsewhere in the teachings on BT Ray discusses the ways of God regarding contrasts and also in the Mobil Conference Audio 2 contrasts is  also addressed.

Even having read it or heard it once or twice, I find it is not enough because each re-visit to Ray's teachings, reveals something else! ;D :D

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

DWIGHT:
Arcturus writes, "For me visualisation techniques, feel good new age teachings and Christian doctrines all aim towards carnal objectives."

How true!!  We were all taught that if we could just visualize being healthy, wealthy and wise, we would be.  They (the blind guides) took everything that was meant to be spiritual and turned it into physical.  The abundant life for them is big houses, cars, boats and everything that the world has....just don't worship them and you'll be okay!  If you just have enough faith, God will give all these things to you.

Yet, God says, "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Heb. 11:1.  If we would just see that what we can't see, in Christ, is eternal and everything that we can see (physically) is temporal, we would live the abundnant life.  Our real substance is in what we hope for. 

The trials, tribulations and testings of our faith is what's more precious than gold...that's what God is after in us.  Arcturus quoted Ray, "This experience of evil is not the purpose or goal of human existence, but this is indeed the process by which God is bringing His Sons and Daughters into glory."

Thank God we have a brother who has seen these truths and is able by God's mercy to show them to us.

In Him,

Dwight

Deborah-Leigh:


Thank you Dwight,

This Psalm came to me last night and I believe it adds to the theme in this thread!

Psalm 119 : 67 Before I was afflicted I went astray, but now Your Word do I keep, hearing, receiving, loving and obeying it. 71. It was GOOD FOR ME to be afflicted that I might LEARN your statutes. 75. I know O Lord, that your laws are righteous, and IN FAITHFULNESS YOU HAVE AFFLICTED ME.

Affliction is anathema to the carnal mind and flesh. It is foolishness

1 Cor 1 : 18 For the story and message of the cross is sheer absurdity and folly to those who are perishing and on their way to perdition, but to us who are being saved it is the manifestation of the power of God….
It is the necessary correction to wandering away from and loosing sight of  the ways and purposes of God making us His children.

Heb 12 : 8  So don’t feel sorry for yourselves. Or have you forgotten how good parents treat children, and that God regards you as HIS children? My dear child, don’t shrug off God’s discipline, but don’t be crushed by it either. It’s the child He loves that He disciplines; the child He embraces, He also corrects. (The Message Translation)

….how bad’s it been? Have you drawn blood yet? Treat these hassles like a good workout. God’s just being a dad. Every son knows how dads try and knockoff our rough edges. If he doesn’t bother, and they all do, then maybe you’re not his! We’ve all had human dads who’ve stood up to us and we’ve respected them for it later. So times that by a hundred to show how we’ve got to take in what our Spiritual Father says. Our dads did their best to knock us into shape, and God coaches us so we mi9ght stand out like He’s outstanding. I am not saying you’ll enjoy it! It’ll probably be a rough ride…… :D (The word on the street Translation)

Probably is an understatement ;D

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

iris:
This has been such a good thread.
It has really made me think!
Thank you!!!


Iris

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