> General Discussions
Jesus and the tomb
DWIGHT:
Hi Sandie,
Jericho is a great example, I never thought of it in that way, but it makes sense. Everything in the OT is for our examples. Thanks Sandie. ;D
Dwight
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello there fellow seekers!...brothers and sisters
here is where it gets different for me....
Rev 20 :5
In this verst the words "Butr the rest of the ded lived not again untill the thousand years were finished"....what if I were to tell you that I believe with all my heart and mind that those words are spurious and that they are NOT found in the oldest and most reliable Greek MSS, Sinaitic, Vatican Nos 1209 and 1160 nor the Syriac MS....then could you see where my view point is coming from?
I like your neat arrangement into time order...the sequence of Death being overcome in the end but what about the scriptures that repeat that Jesus comes in wrath?
We know that where we are now in the time line of events that will culminate eventually in all being saved and God being all in all, that right now we are not there yet. The world continues to career into deeper and deeper darkness and faithlessness. When Jesus returns what faith will He find remaining? He asked that question to indicate that the times are going to get rougher not smoother and I know that this deviates from the point here a little but it is meant to give a bigger picture and not critisize anyone. From where I am seeing, the world is dying and might now be more properly described as dead than as alive. Even Paul cried at what he forsaw as coming against the Church and the deception that would increase in the wave up to the return of Christ.
My question is why put the fifth trumpet in Rev 9 : 6 into the picture at trumpet number five. What does THAT mean?
I see the Millennial age as the age of the return of Christ what will usher in the WTG!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
DWIGHT:
Arcturus,
There are so many difficult verses in prophecy that are yet veiled to us at this point. I hope Ray's "Hell, Part D," will uncover some of this mystery for us. In the meantime, I think that what you said about the world careering deeper and deeper into faithlessness and the road getting rougher and rougher for us is of paramount importance. When He returns, will He find faith on the earth? It's plain to see, that the deception is growing and Babylon's blinding messages are more and more prevalent.
At this point sister, I don't know what all the trumpets mean or if the verse you quoted is or isn't in the original manuscripts or if there is a correct chronological order to the end times, but I do know, that what you said is true about things getting worse and worse. Never before do we need each other and our Lord more than we do now. We need to stay together in oneness of spirit and love one toward another and so much more as we see the day approaching. I really believe that Satan knows that his time is short, and now more than ever seeks to devour those whom he believes are the Lord's elect.
My heart is so filled with the anticipation of the Lord's return, that I can hardly contain myself. We are so blessed of the Lord to have found each other with just a vapour of time left. May the Lord continue to bless our fellowship and the building up of His body to the glory of God our Father.
In Him, your brother
Dwight
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Dwight
--- Quote from: Dwight on March 07, 2007, 03:11:24 PM --- Never before do we need each other and our Lord more than we do now. We need to stay together in oneness of spirit and love one toward another and so much more as we see the day approaching. I really believe that Satan knows that his time is short, and now more than ever seeks to devour those whom he believes are the Lord's elect.
--- End quote ---
You make it so easy to stay in oneness of spirit and love one toward another and towards you Dwight...thank you.
Josh gave me a link to check out OT Hebrew and NT Greek meanings. Yesterday I nearly fell off my chair! I went to check out that Rev 20:5 line and found out that the word finished means "should be being finished".............so whether or not Rev 20 : 5 does or does not have authority to be in the word of God or not....the Hebrew meaning brought a different aspect to the text for me that does not conflict with starting to see that everything that Christianity taught is unscriptural as Ray also says in a recent e-mail response I read somewhere. I personally believe ( rightly or wrongly) that when Christ returns it will be with His throne and not without it because He comes to reign. His throne is His authority symbolically, over evil and His elect will share in that authority.
Mystery Babylon is a liar teaching that when Christ's Millennial Kingdom is inaugurated everyone will be pelased with its ruling. But I don't think so. Liberites to decieve, to misrepresent, to defraud others will be entirely cut off. For those who love Christ, we will be happy but for those who abuse themselves or others and who have license under darkness to do wrong, they will feel the iron rule and this will consequently be felt as a severe breaking up of alltraditions of men and customs and institutions that have been founded upon corruption, false ideas and bondage.
Isaiah 28 : 17 I will make justice the measuring line and righteousness the plummet; and hail will sweep away the refuge of lies, and waters will overwhelm the hiding place.....
Matt 10 : 26...there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed, and hid, that shall not be known....
...but before that, let us remain united in our view that things are going to get worse not brigther and as Ray once wrote to me " There will be no world peace - God has already decreed it."....
We who are not of the world have come out....to meet our Lord....for we can hardly wait for Him to return. As you say Dwight, Satan seeks to devour but I think he is just doing his job to tempt whoever he can to return to worldliness, to go back to Egypt and return to the Mother Harlot and her sing song seductions of carnality. He will not succeed with the elect. The Mother Harlot and her daughter can offer us nothing of purity or holiness but only wretched plagues for her sins. I know you know that Dwight and in this let us remain united in everything Ray has taught us as we wait for part D to encourage us in wisdom and in our faith. Till then brother...
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
I agree with you that Ray’s part D will sort out much of the grey areas and that we look to him as our teacher.
Peace to you
Arcturus,
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[*] Previous page
Go to full version