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Why Mock?
Righteous Judge:
For those that believe there's no such thing as free will;
Why do you mock those whom God has blinded their eyes from seeing the truth? Did He blind their eyes so you can gang up to mock them? It's all that's going on here. Two scriptural proofs to validate this would do, thank you. Some of you are glad that you are no longer in the "Harlot Babylon" but which is really better; to be among the harlot or to be out of the harlot? Afterall, it was God who made all, right? Those in the Harlot are there because God wants them there and those outside are there because God wants them there. So, who's better off?
Assuming that there is a terrible judgement in the age to come (of which neither Adam, Cain nor the people in Noah's days were warned of) rather than an eternal hell, is it really better off to escape it than to be under it. Afterall, those who go through it do so because God made them so and those who do not go through it, don't do so because God made it that way. So who's really better off.
sunset_drama_king:
You should simply have faith in God's plan "righteous" (dirty rags.....) judge, not your (aka humanities) so called power to thwart the perfect plan of a perfect God. If God PLANNED to create a creature that could thwart His desire to "save the whole world" and have "none perish" by it's God-like "free" will..... then me thinks you should take that up with God when you get the chance and ask him why YOU were so special to be determined before the end of the world to choose corectly and millions of other's did not get chosen before the foundation of the world...and you will. Mark my words, you will. You probably won't like the answer I imagine....
Yet all of your questions are answered (or refuted in their intentions) inside of scripture, which you never bothered to read AND believe in place of theologies "explanation" of scripture which elevates man's very pride to the very center of determining the ultimate fate of mankind FIRST (God is a secondary cause of this fate AFTER and only AFTER man chooses FIRST.....blasphemy! but I know you don't see it, I pray you will someday see this, before you are forced to endure a much harder trial....not the eternal torture of depraved christian theology, but also not a walk in the part for anyone...) It's called judgement, and it actually accomplish something for God's glory, but it's not exactly a warning and a dainty slap on the wrist....
I pray that God gives you eyes to see, but I realize that's all I can do... *I* can save nobody myself, only God heals the blind, in scripture and in life, and if all you see is the physical in these healings and you only see it for "that guy out there, not me"....you see nothing at all.
One thing to consider: Are we in bondage to sin or do we choose "freely" to sin as we must supposedly choose FREELY to embrace GOD and deny sin? Think hard about that one, and get back to me if you can with your scriptural take on that.
In Christ,
- Brett
ertsky:
--- Quote ---Did He blind their eyes so you can gang up to mock them?
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recently on this board it's the gainsayers doing the ganging up
it's the bt board but lately we get heaps of gainsayers coming in just to make an argument.
--- Quote ---It's all that's going on here.
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i don't think that's all that's going on here at all.
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Sorin:
--- Quote from: Righteous Judge ---For those that believe there's no such thing as free will;
Why do you mock those whom God has blinded their eyes from seeing the truth? Did He blind their eyes so you can gang up to mock them? It's all that's going on here. Two scriptural proofs to validate this would do, thank you. Some of you are glad that you are no longer in the "Harlot Babylon" but which is really better; to be among the harlot or to be out of the harlot? Afterall, it was God who made all, right? Those in the Harlot are there because God wants them there and those outside are there because God wants them there. So, who's better off?
Assuming that there is a terrible judgement in the age to come (of which neither Adam, Cain nor the people in Noah's days were warned of) rather than an eternal hell, is it really better off to escape it than to be under it. Afterall, those who go through it do so because God made them so and those who do not go through it, don't do so because God made it that way. So who's really better off.
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I think you should read some of the Hate Mail that Ray gets.
I can't even talk to my parents ( who are devout christians ) for example
about Jesus actually Saving The Whole World they won't hear of it. that's
just how Christians are, THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH ( meat) for they
are yet babes ( on milk).
shibboleth:
Maybe it's just me, but isn't the name, Righteous Judge, kind of intimidating considering the fact you are accusing us of these same things? Of being righteous judges that is?
If you RJ have free will why don't you believe, as we do, that you don't have a free will? do you think every thought in your mind is there because you allowed it in? How many thoughts do you think in a day that just won't go away no matter how hard you try to remove them? How many times have you planned to do one thing and had to do another because of unforseen circustances?
We don't choose God, He chooses us. Acts16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening; AND THE LORD OPENED HER HEART TO RESPOND TO THE THINGS SPOKEN BY PAUL.
Lydia was only able to respond as God had opened her heart to hear what the spirit was saying. Millions of people have heard {with their physical ears} about Jesus. But very few have heard with their spiritual ears. Just hearing a so-called gospel message doesn't mean you have heard. It is when our spirit is touched by Gods spirit that we understand.
You can be a God worshipper and yet not know Him , as is shown here by Lydia.
Did you, RJ, of your own freewill choose Jesus Christ to be your Saviour? Do you take credit for your salvation, or as one preacher said, it is 99% God and 1% you? How did you decide to choose Christ on your own with your freewill?
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