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Us and Them
love_magnified:
--- Quote from: worm ---hey guys,
one thing I've realised when coming to the realisation of UR, is that there is NO MORE "US" and "THEM"...
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Hi worm, I see what you are saying. While I do think there is an "us" and a "them" there is some good fruit in what you are saying:
2 Corinthians 5
For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again. Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
THAT is what it's all about. We are separated from them, no doubt about it. I have NOTHING to do with Church get-togethers and services and so on, but our ministry is reconciliation. God knows where that line is, and it takes a walk with the Spirit to know where to draw it.
rocky:
1Cr 4:17 For this reason I have sent to you Timothy who is my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, and he will remind you of my ways which are in Christ, just as I teach everywhere in every church.
Does anybody else find it interesting that Paul went to churches, he sent his people to churches, to the carnal Christians for one reason; preach the gospel of Christ and for there salvation.
Seems to me we are to come out of babylon, be seperate, but take the message of reconciliation to babylon.
Christ is the savior of the world. The world is babylon. Christ in us, takes the message to them.
ertsky:
--- Quote ---as God loves us ALL unconditionally
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is it a love of sickly sweet emotion or is it
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
exactly how did Jesus love His enemies
by glossing over their wickedness ? or did He tell them the truth ?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
He that is of God = us
ye are not of God = them
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rocky:
--- Quote from: ertsky ---
--- Quote ---as God loves us ALL unconditionally
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is it a love of sickly sweet emotion or is it
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
exactly how did Jesus love His enemies
by glossing over their wickedness ? or did He tell them the truth ?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
He that is of God = us
ye are not of God = them
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he healed them, cast out their demons, fed them, hung out with them, invited them to spend time with him, called them to follow him, and for the the ones that needed it, he rebuked them.
ertsky:
--- Quote ---he healed them, cast out their demons, fed them, hung out with them, invited them to spend time with him, called them to follow him, and for the the ones that needed it, he rebuked them.
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and how did they repay Him ?
Joh 19:15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.
you speak of the them He healed
the them He cast out demons
the them He fed
i don't think that was entirely the same them He said this to
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
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this is the them i'm concerned with
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
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