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gmik:
Hi y'all.  He must increase I must decrease. AS this happens I think that I will be more patient, kind, gentle etc with the us/them. Both sides are using scripture-I guess I see it as us=all people that believe in Jesus wherever they are on the journey;  them=people that hate Jesus or don't give a care one way or the other.  Me= I am to love my enemies.  UR believers= should be happy & blessed more so than anyone.

PS  Ray may have an unction to scold, criticize, rebuke as he teaches.  He is good at it, and has been called.  Most of us have not!  I am glad that while I was gone the E Mail forum can't be posted on anymore.

Anyway, good to be back.  I sure missed everyone. (It is taking me a long time catching up-lots of good stuff on the forums.)

rocky:

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--- Quote ---he healed them, cast out their demons, fed them, hung out with them, invited them to spend time with him, called them to follow him, and for the the ones that needed it, he rebuked them.
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and how did they repay Him ?

Joh 19:15  But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.


you speak of the them He healed

the them He cast out demons

the them He fed

i don't think that was entirely the same them He said this to

Mat 23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

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this is the them i'm concerned with

2Co 6:17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2Co 6:18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

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So have you come out of babylon fully, have you overcome all your giants?  If you are not confident you have completely donethis, then let the mature cast you out too and me too.  

Again, I think Paul does a wonderful job in I Corinth. and II Corinth of explaining how we should deal with the immature.

orion77:
Ertsky, I hear what you are saying.  What we need to be mindful of is that we were "them" in the past, and only by the grace of God are we the "us" now.  The day will come when the "them" will also be "us", and God will be all in all.  We always have to be mindful of the "is, was, and will be" spiritual aspects of scripture.

To put people in their varying degrees of their walk into different categories can seem offensive to the carnally minded who have not yet reached maturity.  After all, we were there ourselves.

The many called and the few chosen are still both Christs.  The chosen now are being judged and chastised by God now and the many called will have to go through it when the day comes.  There is no escaping His judgements.

Me, being a sinner, reformed by the Lord, do not see myself as being any better than anyone else, whether called, chosen or whoever.  I know it is only by the grace of God are my eyes opened.  I know you know these same things also.  We are to serve and to minister to those if called upon to do.  I have not set foot into a church building in a long time, for I have heard our Fathers name and character slandered enough.  I understand these people are only deceived.

That's my take on this and don't mean anything disrespectful towards you.  I have come to the point it ALL boils down to loving God and our neighbor.  I only wish to be the same towards my neighbors, whether friend or foe, in the same way God was and is towards me.  This is my goal in life.

God bless,

Gary

ertsky:
just to make it plain

judge not is NOT a license to permit heresy

love your enemies is NOT an excuse to have a love in with a wolf

grace is NOT a sin permit

maturity is NOT an excuse to not rebuke error when commanded

IF YOU SEE ERROR and do not sound an alarm what kind of Brother are you ?

f

Karen:
AMEN TO YOUR WORDS. LOVE ALL. BE HUMBLE AND GIVING TO ALL. NOT SOME. ~KAREN~

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