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skydreamers:
Hi Guys

Paula you crack me up!:


--- Quote ---Oh the freedom! Pass the spare ribs.
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I came to be a Christian through the Adventist church as well, about 7 years ago.  But I've always been rebellious and non-conformist by nature and thankfully never bought into many of their "rules'.  I remember the day I got baptized, I heard a lady in the crowd say to her friend (loud enough so I could hear) "Boy I hope she's going to get rid of all those piercings and jewellery now!"  I felt suddenly terribly uncomfortable, but thankfully my Pastor was more of the "liberal" kind and he told me not to worry about it. 

As for Ellen White, I always really enjoyed her writings and at least she didn't write hateful scary things like this Jonathon Edwards guy.  But I realized early on that she wasn't the "final authority" on anything.  I never did fully understand the 1844 Investigative Judgment teaching, or at least I didn't see it in scripture.  But her book "Desire of Ages" always made me cry and I thought it was beautifully written.  But I remember finding out stuff about her like her plagiarizing and her eating oysters!  (something she forbid others to do)  Very bizarre.

But I remember being taught in the church that "God hates the sin, but loves the sinner".  I always found comfort in that.

Peace and God Bless, Diana

PKnowler:
Hi Diana,

   I thought the funny part was: If you knowingly eat a pork molecule you are guilty of eating the whole pig!  :D I got a little chuckle when I wrote it! But it's the way I was taught.

I do appreciate my background and where I come from but I am so thankful that God has set me free! God has us all go through different things in life for a purpose to teach us. There were things taught in the SDA church that helped me at that time in my life.
I always appreciated that teaching that Hell didn't last forever but was a merited punishment and then annihilation. It seemed more merciful. So even when I came out of the Church I had a hard time with the eternal torment doctrine. I am so thankful to now know that Christ is truly our Redeemer and that all will come to the knowledge of the truth and be redeemed one day.

I was somewhat of a nonconformist myself because I didn't revere Ellen White. It always bothered me the way people exalted her. I've only read 2 books of hers- Desires of Ages and Steps to Christ. I did enjoy then both though, they were very edifying.

Bless you!  :)
~Paula

YellowStone:
Hi Diana

I agree with what you wrote : "God hates the sin, but loves the sinner".  I too always found that comforting. It is very similar to that of the "love / hate" relationship between good parents and their children.

For as a parent, I love my son so very much, but some of the things he does..... urrrgh!!  ???

Just because you love someone, does not mean that you have to agree with, or love what they do. If that were true, the love could not be freely given, because it would be constrained.

Great Post,
Darren

SandyFla:
That sermon reminds me of Fred Phelps and his family.

"God hates fags" and "Thank God for dead soldiers" ... what a god of hate they serve!!!

Sandy

SandyFla:

--- Quote from: chav on March 02, 2007, 07:18:23 AM ---Does God hate sinners ?

In his classic sermon, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God,Johnathon Edwards simply affirmed biblical truth about God's attitude toward the unrepentant:

The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment...
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That sounds like something a kid would do. No wonder I grew up believing that God was holding a stick over my head, just waiting ... no, salivating ... for the chance to gleefully crush me at his first opportunity. Sorta like Clint Eastwood: "Go ahead--make my day!"

Sandy

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