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Kat:
Hi Joe,
Yep, I just finished the transcript on Adam and Eve. And the church has really got it all wrong.
The part where it appears that Adam blamed Eve, well that's not right either.
I think that verse 12, is more of a confession. He knew what he had done and admitted it to God, he was ready to take his medicine, so to speak.
Going back over all that from the conference, sure is a refresher course :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
YellowStone:
Hi Joe, Long time no see.
You were missed my brother :) But it is so good to have you back. ;)
I used to always think as Adam as being a wimp for "hiding" behind Eve, blaming something he did on her.
But then Adam was the first Adam and he was not compelled to stand-iup for Eve, even to the point of death.
However, Christ was the "last" Adam
1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
And he, Christ, willingly paid the ultimate price for his "bride" his chruch.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Yes it is comforting knowing that all is happening according to the will of Our Father.
Great post!
Your Brother,
Darren
Kat:
Hi Darren,
--- Quote ---I used to always think as Adam as being a wimp for "hiding" behind Eve, blaming something he did on her.
But then Adam was the first Adam and he was not compelled to stand-iup for Eve, even to the point of death.
--- End quote ---
But that is what Adam did. He did stand up for Eve, that's the point, he was willing to die.
Here is an excerpt from the Adam and Eve transcript.
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Now interesting thing. It says in Tim. 2:14, that when Eve took the forbidden fruit she was deceived, the serpent had deceived her. But Adam was not deceived. Well if she was deceived, and she ate the fruit. Why did Adam eat it? He wasn’t deceived, so why did he eat it? Why didn’t he say you dumb female, you stupid wife of mine. How could you do such a dumb thing. No, no he did not. She gave him some and he ate it too.
Why, would he do that? He knew. Because God told him first, and He told him specifically. And we know Eve knew because she said to the serpent, “God has said.” But first He said it to Adam before he created the Eve. You can eat of every tree but of this tree you can not and the day you eat there of you will DIE. (Gen. 2:16-17)
In the Hebrew, ‘to die you shall be dying.” You will begin to die, you will be mortal and just die. You will be mortal and come to old age and die. So he knew that, he knew that when Eve ate it she was going to die. He longed for that woman so long and now she is going to die. He loved her so much, he said if she is going to die, I’m going to die with her, and he ate the fruit. He knew full well he would die, and he said I’m going with her. I’m not going to let her go alone, you see. So he was willing to die for that woman.
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Just thought I would bring this point out :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
hillsbororiver:
Hi Kat,
Thank you for the reminder on Ray's presentation it indeed is quite different from what is considered conventional wisdom. Maybe somewhere else in the transcript it addresses my thought here.
Many times in life I have made rash, emotional decisions motivated by my selfishness or lusts, at the point of action I was in a "damn the torpedoes" mode, "this is what I am doing and that is that!" When the time came to own up to the results of my actions my initial response would usually include some attempt at justification or in finding a scapegoat.
Although Adam made a rash emotional decision to be with Eve and "damn the torpedoes" when he was approached by God he seemed to waver a bit and say "the woman thou gavest me" with Eve standing right there, and then Eve blames the serpent, it sounds exactly like what happens when 2 (or more) people commit a crime they are "all for one and one for all" until the cops show up, then the finger pointing and blame game begins.
Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
I certainly see and agree to what you posted in regard to how Adam was thinking and feeling before he was explaining himself to God, but when he was actually in God's presence he did not say, God I love this woman so much that I will die for her right here and now if need be, it looks more like he was saying, hey God this was all a big mistake, this woman here, you know the one that you gave me, well I did not want her to be alone or die by herself because I was not sure what you were going to do so I went ahead and ate of it just to be sure she would not have to suffer and be alone, because you know I really love her.
I am looking forward to reading the rest of the transcript, thank you Sister.
His peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: YellowStone on March 02, 2007, 11:00:03 AM ---Hi Joe, Long time no see.
You were missed my brother :) But it is so good to have you back. ;)
I used to always think as Adam as being a wimp for "hiding" behind Eve, blaming something he did on her.
But then Adam was the first Adam and he was not compelled to stand-iup for Eve, even to the point of death.
However, Christ was the "last" Adam
1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
And he, Christ, willingly paid the ultimate price for his "bride" his chruch.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Yes it is comforting knowing that all is happening according to the will of Our Father.
Great post!
Your Brother,
Darren
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Dear Darren,
Thank you for the welcome back! :)
I was at the Builder's Show in Orlando for the better part of a week early in February then a few days later we went up to North Carolina for an extended weekend, it has been pretty busy at work always catching up when I am away for any period of time.
Take care Brother.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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