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Jennie:
Salvation is available for all. It sounds like a choice must be made in that "whoever will call on the name of the Lord". I don't mean a little "sinner's prayer" but a heartfelt calling out to the Lord. Am I missing something?
hebrewroots98:
Excellent points here brothers and sisters!!!
Joe and all,
I agree with your PS statement here in this thread; as I too would like to see how these self assured pharasees would react to the truth when given the witnessing scriptures ! How do you see the 'white throne judgement' taking place...I mean, I wonder if everyone will actually see everyone else being judged for all of the wrongs that they had done while in their lives while on earth?
Longhorn, it's good to hear from you again.
YellowStone:
--- Quote from: Jennie on March 29, 2007, 09:20:12 PM ---Salvation is available for all. It sounds like a choice must be made in that "whoever will call on the name of the Lord". I don't mean a little "sinner's prayer" but a heartfelt calling out to the Lord. Am I missing something?
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Great point Jennie, but perhaps the calling is more from the heart than the mouth. Words are often cheap and many time contradict the feelings of the heart. It is true that no one can truly have their heart and mind opened to God until God drags them to him, but likewise, it is not until we break down with a heart felt calling (Spoken or felt) that we begin to feel him comfort us.
Yes God allows us to see and feel him, but we still have to walk that twisted, windy, rocky road ourselves. If we stumble, we must pick ourselves up, if we fall and break an ankle, we must not focus on the pain but rather on the wonderous view that surrounds us; the view that is a promise of what is to come.
God will help us, but will not do it for us. :) Many blame their falling away on God; saying that: "God failed me!", when in fact "they failed God." They same way the fail him when the recite the sinners prayer, while thinking of the football game that starts in half an hour.
I don't think you are missing anything! :)
Kat:
Hi Jennie,
--- Quote ---Salvation is available for all. It sounds like a choice must be made in that "whoever will call on the name of the Lord". I don't mean a little "sinner's prayer" but a heartfelt calling out to the Lord. Am I missing something?
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Most are not given there chance for salvation now, but in judgment in the Lake of Fire. Now only a few are chosen; Mat 7:13 "Enter by the narrow gate... "
And none of it is our doing, it is all brought about by God.
Here is an email of Ray's that explains this.
http://bible-truths.com/email3.htm#saved -------------------------
[Ray Replies]
Dear Chester:
Thank you for your email and questions.
Now I realize that this is not quite the message of the Christian party line, but it is Scriptural. The idea that one must COME TO CHRIST, and then CHOOSE CHRIST, on his own by his own "free" will, it not only UNscriptural, it is ANTI-scriptural. Here is how God saves people:
I will quote this from the Concordant Literal New Testament, as it is a better translation than the KJV in these verses:
"Now we are aware that GOD [the word 'God' is left OUT in the KJV, but it is IN the Greek manuscripts] is working all together for the good of those who are loving God [but just how does one come to 'love God?' continue...] who ARE CALLED [by GOD, not by our so-called 'free' will], according to the purpose [God's purpose in calling us] that, whom He foreknew [God knew before you were born whether He could be calling you now, or later] He designates BEFOREHAND also, to be conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be Firstborn among many brethren. Now whom He designates BEFOREHAND, these HE calls also, and whom HE calls, these HE justifies also; now whom HE justifies, these HE glorifies also" (Rom. 8:28-30).
Now then, can we not see that it is "HE"--GOD, Who does all these things? NOWHERE do we see here that man must first choose Christ of his own free will, THEN God will do all these other things.
NO! GOD, has a purpose, GOD does the calling, GOD conforms and transforms us into the image of His Son, GOD justifies us, and GOD will glorify us also. IT IS ALL GOD!
But when God does do these things for those He calls, He also GIVES THEM FAITH TO BELIEVE THESE THINGS. So then here is the formula, if I may use that word, for HOW God saves us:
"For by GRACE are ye saved through FAITH; and that [that saving faith] not of yourselves: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD." (Eph. 2:8).
You said that I don't cover salvation in any of my papers. Actually I do at numerous places, perhaps you missed it. Notice that we are "saved by GRACE."
In Part IV of the "lake of fire" series I show EXACTLY how God uses "Grace" to train, educate, discipline, school, judge, and chastise us into the image of His Son. Are you reading and studying the "lake of fire series?"
Once God calls you, He will guide you in ALL THINGS that you need to know and do.
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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