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who are the 144,000?
kennymac:
Hello everyone,
I just realized that I do not have a clue what this number represents. I was taught, these 144,000 are converted end time Jewish evangelists, who will lead the people to our Lord, during the great tribulation.
I would greatly welcome any scripture and information on this topic. My daughter has just asked me who they are, and I couldn't give her an answer.
Thanks all,
Kennymac
Jackie Lee:
That is what I was taught also, hope we can find some answers. :)
Kat:
Hi kennymac and Jackie,
I found this in Ray's Lake of Fire article no. 4.
I think it will help you with this :)
http://bible-truths.com/lake4.html ---------------------------------------------
THE FIRSTFRUITS (Feast of Weeks): "All the best of the oil , and all the best of the wine, and of the wheat, the FIRSTFRUITS of them which they shall offer unto the Lord, them have I given thee ... And whatsoever is FIRST RIPE in the land which they shall bring unto the Lord, shall be thine..." (Num. 18:12 & 13). "And now, behold, I have brought the firstfruits of the land, which thou, O Lord, has given me. And thou shalt set it before the LORD thy God, and worship before the Lord thy God" (Deut. 26:10).
COMMENT: The type in the New Testament of this Old Testament symbol is the Believer. Notice what James tells us, "Of His own will begat He us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of FIRSTFRUITS of His creatures" (James 1:18). Now a very important point: How far down the road in prophecy can we go until we reach the end of the firstfruits? In Rev. 7:4-8 we read of the sealing of the 144,000. These are a different group from the great innumerable multitude, which no man could number, from every nation and tongue spoken of beginning in verse 9.
In Chapter 14:1 & 4 we are told specifically who these 144,000 are: "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand [notice that the innumerable multitudes from all nations is not mentioned here] ... These are they which were not defiled with women, for they are virgins [as in the Bride of Christ]. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, BEING THE FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb" (Rev. 14:1 & 4). So every believer from the Apostles to the 144,000 just prior to the return of Jesus Christ to establish His reign on the earth, is called and likened to FIRSTFRUITS! So what does this have to do with the lake of fire? EVERYTHING! Everyone saved before the Day of Judging is likened to firstfruits, so there will be no more firstfruits after the white throne judgment.
Paul tells us in Rom. 8:23, "And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit..." Nowhere do we read of the "LASTFRUITS," but whenever something is FIRST we also know there is something to follow. Nor are there any references to any "ONLYFRUITS." The firstfruits are clearly not the ONLY fruits! Follow this very closely now, for you are in for a big shock when you understand the type in the fall festival of Tabernacles—the great fall harvest.
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
kennymac:
Hi Kat,
I'm not sure I am understanding correctly, this is what my limited mind is thinking.
There is going to be 144,000 First fruits. All others that attain the 1st res. are likened to a first fruit, but are not first fruits?
Is that how I should be understanding this?
I just want to thank you Kat, it seems any time I have a question I can always count on you for some help.
Peace and Love,
Kenny mac
Ps. Kat you once posted instructions on how to navigate through Ray's writings, seems I misplaced the information. If you could repost, It would be most helpful.
Kat:
Hi kennymac,
--- Quote ---So every believer from the Apostles to the 144,000 just prior to the return of Jesus Christ to establish His reign on the earth, is called and likened to FIRSTFRUITS!
--- End quote ---
Simply put the elect are the firstfruits. Christ is The Firstfurit, the elect are firstfruits after He finished His work on earth.
The 144,000 is a symbolic number that stands for the firstfruits/elect harvested since Jesus' resurrection until He comes again.
--- Quote ---In Chapter 14:1 & 4 we are told specifically who these 144,000 are: "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand [notice that the innumerable multitudes from all nations is not mentioned here] ... These are they which were not defiled with women, for they are virgins [as in the Bride of Christ]. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, BEING THE FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb" (Rev. 14:1 & 4).
--- End quote ---
This is the first resurrection at Christ's coming, of the Firstfruits/elect.
To find a specific word in an article of Ray's: hold down the Ctrl key and then hit the F key. You will see a bar at the top that you can put any word or pharse on and search the page :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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