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Witnessing
Firefly:
--- Quote from: Kat on March 14, 2007, 10:17:23 PM ---
Hi Lori,
When you are reading the scripture, one thing is notice who Christ is directly talking to.
--- Quote ---And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matt 24:14
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In Matt. 24 you can see Jesus was talking only to His disciples.
Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out and departed from the temple. And His disciples came to Him to show Him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said to them..."
Christ is speaking to the disciples, so I would think this does apply to them, if not in their lifetime then in the resurrection.
It is my understanding that when the scripture are speaking to the believers, it has a certain message. And when it speaks to the world or when Jesus spoke to the multitudes there is another message or a parable. The message here is to the believing disciples, who were the elect at that time. Jesus' message to them was to preach to the world, as they did for the rest of their lives and will do in the kingdom.
--- Quote ---And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark 16:15
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Same for this verse, He is speaking only to the disciples.
Mar 16:14 "Afterward He appeared to the Eleven as they reclined..."
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So then would these verses apply to the chosen today or only to the diciples? And how do we know if it is for only the diciples or it includes the chosen? Thanks for your imput...I really appreciate it.
Lori :)
Kat:
Hi Lori,
Yes I believe that when Christ spoke to His disciples the things He said to them apply to all of the chosen elect down through the generations. The same for Paul and all the Apostles as well, when they spoke to the believers it applies to all the chosen too.
Here is Christ's pray to the Father for His disciples, but He says not for these alone.
John 17: 20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
v. 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
When we see that certain scripture apply only to the chosen elect, it puts a different perspective on things.
I hope this helps :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Firefly:
Thanks Kat...I still have a question though..when I read Ray's paper it seems as if we are not mandated to witness to people but when I read these verses that are directed at the diciples/elect it seems we are to preach the gospel. Is there a difference. I personally feel like a bumbling idiot when I try to tell worldly people about God and when I talk to the called about God's truths they always bring up some scripture that I do not know how to defend in my little mind or I can not remember the scripture or the whole argument for or against something. I am sorry to be so daft, it is just that my mind is having a hard time grasping the spiritual truths here.
and Gena...
--- Quote from: gmik on March 14, 2007, 10:14:18 PM ---
We believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, who came to save the world from sin. We have accepted him as our personal saviour, and even said the 5-second prayer....So
Why do "christians" think we are so evil to not believe in hell??? I have seen that same look of horror from people. Well, buddy, you will be there whether you believe it or not!
Why do they think that?? Do they think there is a scripture somewhere that says you have to believe in Hell, in order to go to Heaven???
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I have a couple girls at work who are "born again' and they seem to think that I think you can believe anything and go to heaven. I think they can't get past the lie that you have to believe in Jesus BEFORE you die to be saved. My husband and I have flat out asked every called person we have shared these truths with where in the scriptures it says you need to accept Jesus BEFORE you die and every time there is no answer or they say it does not say that anywhere ???....Okay people do we see some problem with this...Hello.....
Sorry now I am venting. ;D
Thanks
Lori :)
YellowStone:
Hi Lori, :)
You wrote the following:
I have a couple girls at work who are "born again' and they seem to think that I think you can believe anything and go to heaven. I think they can't get past the lie that you have to believe in Jesus BEFORE you die to be saved. My husband and I have flat out asked every called person we have shared these truths with where in the scriptures it says you need to accept Jesus BEFORE you die and every time there is no answer or they say it does not say that anywhere ....Okay people do we see some problem with this...Hello.....
I think the belief that one has to accept Christ before one dies stems from several misquoted Scriptures; one of which follow. :)
Jhn 6:40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” [NIV]
Many (some might say logically) assume that one cannot look to the Son after death, because by that time, you are either in Heaven or Hell. :D
Just goes to show the ignorance of the many "called" they believe 100%, but know not what it is they believe. Amazing! ::)
Love in Christ,
Darren
Kat:
Hi Lori,
--- Quote --- when I read these verses that are directed at the diciples/elect it seems we are to preach the gospel.
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I think that you may be referring to this scripture.
Mar 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."
I think that this does apply to the elect, but some are called to be teachers not all.
1Co 12:4 There are different kinds of spiritual gifts, but the same Spirit gives them.
v. 10 The Spirit gives one person the power to work miracles; to another, the gift of speaking God's message; and to yet another, the ability to tell the difference between gifts that come from the Spirit and those that do not. To one person he gives the ability to speak in strange tongues, and to another he gives the ability to explain what is said. (GNB)
We are always to be ready to give an answer though. But I believe even here God will send those He so desires to you and will prepare you to know what to answer.
1Pe 3:15 but sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to everyone who asks you a reason of the hope in you, with meekness and fear;
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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