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psalmsinger:
--- Quote from: andrevan on March 08, 2007, 05:16:04 AM ---Hi mrsnacks
I agree with Ray's teaching, I've seen the beast and it is me, just need to figure out what exactly the spiritual mark could be... any ideas anyone?
God bless.
Andrevan.
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I studied this a while back and came up with the conclusion that the spiritual mark is the true indwelling of the holy spirit following our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. This is mostly unseen, misinterpreted, and even persecuted by the rest of the humanity engulfed in beast system. Like Ray says, the spirit of God within you hears, sees and follows the Truth, the rest just don't get it YET......
Love, Barbara Walton
Kat:
Hi mrsnacks,
You were speaking about the Matt 24:34.
--- Quote ---"This generation shall not pass away till all these things be fulfilled. " He was answering the disciple's questions and was referring to that present generation. The destruction of the temple and the judgement upon Israel in 70 A.D. Does it really makes sense that Jesus would talk about something that would occur 2000 years later when the disciples were concerned about that present situation ? There were great famines and wars and earthquakes etc leading up to the terrible events of 70 A.D.
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I was thinking Ray had said something about this very scripture. Ray usually comes from a perspective I had not thought about or I just don't have nearly the depth of understanding that Ray has of the scripture.
Here is the email.
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Great site! I visit quite often. I just have a quick question; I will keep this short since you get so many emails.
In Matthew 24, why does Jesus say:
"Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place."
-Jesus, Matthew 24:34 (NASB)
It seems at first glance (and second, third, etc.) that Jesus said that certain things would take place in his generation that do not seem to have taken place. What is the meaning of this?
I do not need an immediate reply. I do not wish to cause stress by adding to your list of emails, I just don't know who else to ask. I've looked into some possible explanations, but I haven't been satisfied. You have a way with explaining mysteries.
Austin
Dear Austin:
Like most "quick questions," your's also requires a not so quick answer. In many prophecies there is a dual fulfillment. Neither Preterists nor Futurists seem to understand this. Some things prophesied in Matt. 24 and 25 were to take place in the near future, in THAT generation. Jesus was crucified somewhere in the 30's AD and Jerusalem was indeed destroyed by 70 AD.
However, when Jesus said that "THIS generation" in Matt. 24:34, He did not mean "THAT generation" living at that time. Notice the words a few verses before: "So likewise ye [whoever the 'ye' will be when these things happen], when ye shall see ALL THESE THINGS, know that it is near, even at the doors" (Verse 33).
WHAT "all THESE things?" Why all the things that he mentioned leading up to this point. And included are the "Sign of the Son of man in heaven," and the resurrection and gathering of the saints, etc. (Verse 30). Now THAT did not happen back in the first century AD. It is yet future. But the future generation who sees "ALL these things," that generation living at THAT time, shall not pass untall all these things be fulfilled, including the coming of our Lord.
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
mrsnacks:
Those who deny that "this generation" refers to the generation to whom Jesus was speaking in the Matthew 24 context must maintain that "this generation" there means something different from the way it is used in every other place in Matthew and the rest of the NT. Matthew 23:36 clearly refers to the Pharisees and their associates . Why should we interpret "this generation" in Matthew 24:34 in a way different from 23:36 since Jesus is answering His disciple's questions regarding His statement in Matthew 23:36 that their house ~ the temple ~ is being left to them desolate ? The usual rejoinder is "All of Matthew 24 could not have been fulfilled during the lifetime of the apostles. There must be a future fulfillment even though 'this generation' seems to refer to those who lived between AD30 and 70."
But this is not the way we should interpret Scripture. If Jesus had said that all the events prior to Matthew 24:34 would occur before the contemporary generation passed away, then we must take Him at His word ~ even if we still hold to a future "fulfillment" ~ the primary fulfillment must be within the scope given by the Prophet. Dispensationalists insist on literalism. Why not in this instance? If "this generation" is taken literally, all of the predictions were to take place within the lifespan of those living at that time. The integrity of the Bible is at stake in the discussion of the Biblical meaning of "this generation."
josh:
The intergrity of the scriptures is not "at stake" or dependent on any discussion, conversation or argument of man.
God's Peace.
Josh
mrsnacks:
--- Quote from: In Medias Res on March 13, 2007, 09:21:46 AM ---The intergrity of the scriptures is not "at stake" or dependent on any discussion, conversation or argument of man.
God's Peace.
Josh
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I didn't say that. I agree. The intergrity of the scriptures is at stake by what the scriptures say.
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