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unbelievable...a HELL PLAY by our local homeschoolers!
Kat:
Hi Anne,
Another point I would like to make about your question;
--- Quote ---If we are called to come out of Babylon, then why are we still discussing Babylon? Are we truly forgetting what lies behind and straining on towards the prize?
--- End quote ---
Some that are here are still physically in the church. And we get questions from people who are struggling with coming out of her.
We also have family members who are still apart of Babylon.
So it is a continued presence in our lives.
As Arcturus said, "We are not saying go backwards, backslide or return to Babylon."
But we can help encourage others a great deal, by what we have experienced in coming out of her :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
YellowStone:
There seems to be a difference between coming out of Babylon and being of the world.
Christs instruction of: "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." is I believe referring the "Church," because Christ say's "For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."
It would seem that the nations are IN the world of which many of its peoples are also IN Babylon.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
So what is "being in" the world?
1Jo 2:16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
It is very intereting how Christ describes the things in the world. It is not the fast car, or the flashy clothes or huge mansion on the coast line; rather it is the:
1. Lust of the flesh
2. Lust of the eyes
3. Pride of life
What did Christ mean by Lust?
epithumia {ep-ee-thoo-mee'-ah} [1939]
It is to desire, crave, long for and desire for what is forbidden; lust
So what then is Pride?
alazoneia {al-ad-zon-i'-a} [212]
1) empty, braggart talk
2) an insolent and empty assurance, which trusts in its own power
and resources and shamefully despises and violates divine laws
and human rights
3) an impious and empty presumption which trusts in the stability
of earthy things
This is what being "in the World" really means. It is not ones possesions or ones job, etc, but rather how one lusts, craves for what one doesn't have and then brags pridefully over ones greatness and power for having acheived ones goals.
This is why Jesus said, any with such thoughts and desires "is not of the Father, but is of the world."
Being not of the world is different than being in the world. :)
Jhn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].
I truly believe that coming out of Babylon and freeing oneself from perhaps years of guilt, false doctrine, man made tradition is different than being "of the world."
For there are many who were never in Babylon, but are clearly OF the world just as there are many who give thanks to God for everything that have and acknowledge him in all things, yet they are still stuck in Babylon.
Pride for oneself over God is very different than being thankful to God for all the wonderous things he has provided. We cannot come out of the world, but we sure do not have to be caught up in the World.
Our Heavenly Father will care for his own.
Psa 23:6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
Comments are always welcome, :)
Love to all in Christ,
Darren
hebrewroots98:
Amen, right on Darren! I like those definitions too; it puts the microscope even closer to the truth of the three 'lust of' words. Thanks :D
Kat:
Hi Darren,
I see what you are saying.
Babylon is the church and that includes governments when they are intangled with her. The world is everything of the flesh.
Joh 15:19 If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
This is speaking of coming out the ways of the world, the carnal fleshly nature.
This world will come to an end, but that is not speaking of the earth and all life, but this present evil age.
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the end of the world. Amen.
Here is a email of Ray's and an excerpt from Lake of Fire article #9, on this subject.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2049.0.html -------
is babylon the world, ie, mainly the religious system. of christianity claiming to be the church while being so steeped in worldy affairs?
i understand some call it the church of babylon, but for me there is one church the body of Christ.
while fale christianity is claiming to be the church.
are we told to come out of the world or out of the church???
thank you so much, i hope this makes it to the forum.
peace and love
chuckt
Dear Chuck:
No, Babylon does not claim to be the Church, THEY ARE THE CHURCH.
There are the called and the few chosen. The few chosen come out of the called masses of the congregation. Babylon the church rides the beast. The beast is the world.
God be with you,
Ray
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http://bible-truths.com/lake9.html ----------------------------
What is actually spoken of in these two chapters of Isaiah 13 & 14 is the history of world religion and government from the creation of man, through the destruction of man, and the realization of God’s spiritual Mt. Zion filling the universe. All the religions and governments of the world in the history of the world are personified in these two chapters. Isa. 13:1 begins with, "The burden of Babylon…" (organized religion and government against God), and ends with Isa. 14;32b, "That the Lord has founded Zion…" (The spiritual capital of the Universe governing all mankind). It’s all right here for those who have "ears to hear and eyes to see."
Let me give you the history of the world including all future prophecies, in one sentence:
God perfectly planned and recorded His creation of the heavens, angels, the earth, and carnal humanity, who sinned wickedly and were all drowned (save a few); who then reached for their own heaven at the tower of Babel in rebellion to the God Who then scattered them (save a few); who later built Babylon into a great pagan empire which God destroyed (save a few); who have since built many wicked and fornicating Babylons collectively called, Mystery Babylon The Great, whom God warns before utterly destroying again (save a few); and of ‘the Few’ God is creating a New Spiritual Humanity of Son-and-Daughter Saviours like unto Jesus, in New Jerusalem on spiritual Mt. Zion, were ALL will be redeemed (NOT just a few); that God may be "ALL in All"!
Maybe I could shorten it down a smidgen, but there it is. The reality of most of the symbolism of Revelation is contained in that one sentence. "But Mr. Smith, I don’t see ‘666’ anywhere in your sentence." You don’t? I do. I see 666 followed by 777 in nearly every phrase of that sentence. "He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the Churches!"
So far then there is no sign of Satan
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
hebrewroots98:
Well, we went to the play and Daniel was bored! It was your typical fear tactic type of message delivered by the young actors. They were very surpreised to see us there; and believe it or not, they were more uncomfprtable that we were there that vise versa. It was awkward for some of the women, but I just told them that this will be a good learning experience for Daniel.
The 'HABITATION' was a place where angels resided and where the souls of those whom just died went to if they had repentance work to do before they went into Heaven...then, once they repented of their wrongs, then they got escorted 'to heaven'. They spoke of hell, but did not show anything of it on the stage.
Oh well, so much for anyone asking me of the hope that is within me ;) ???...maybe later though.
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