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The "Testimony" that God Gave Of His Son!
Kat:
Hi GODSown1,
That is a big question, you know that Ray has written numerous articles explaining this in great detail.
But I have found an email that kinda sums it all up for you now, so you can read about it when you have time.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1883.0.html -------------
Dear Wesley:
Man is mortal, so all mankind will and must die eventually. Even those "who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord will be changed. In that sense, their old flesh body dies.
But we must also spiritually die to ourselves WHILE WE ARE STILL ALIVE. This only happens to those who are "baptized in Christ," not baptized into water. Those who are "crucified with Christ." Those who are "begotten anew from above." Those who are made "a new creature," in the "Image of God's Son," etc. In other words only God's chosen elect few will experience these things in this life and be resurrected to immortality with a spiritual body in the first resurrection., The rest of humanity which has died once PHYSICALLY, will be resurrected in the second resurrection in which they too will have to spiritually die to their old carnal man and be made righteous (Isa. 26:9).
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
GODSown1:
Hey Kat;
Just want to Thank You
muchLOVE! & Peace be with You
Kat:
Hi GODSown1,
I am always glad to be of help :)
I have heard Ray recommend to start at the very top of his site and start reading, with the first article "You Fools! You Hypocrites! You Snakes!" So if you have not read that one I would recommend it.
Here is the link.
http://bible-truths.com/fools.htm
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Kat:
Rev 1:1 A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to declare to His servants things which must shortly come to pass. And He signified it by sending His angel to His servant John,
v. 2 who bore record of the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ and of all the things that he saw.
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."
1Co 1:5 that you were enriched in everything by Him in all utterance and all knowledge,
v. 6 even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you,
v. 7 so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
v. 8 who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
This testimony of Jesus Christ, this spirit of prophecy, which is the Revelation of Jesus Christ as verse 6 says is confirmed in you, the elect. So this is Christ in you, if the testimony of Christ is in you then you know Him , you obey Him, which will be evident by your fruit.
Joh 15:4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
Something interesting was in Rev 19:10 "And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus."
This is the same angel from Rev 17:1 "And one of the seven angels who had the seven vials came and talked with me,"
This angel says he is a "fellow servant, and of the brethren who have the testimony of Jesus."
I was just wondering about this, as it says there are angels that are of the elect.
Could there be chosen angels, just like the chosen humans ???
So then the ones with Satan would not be chosen, at this time and are the ones to be judged ???
1Tim 5:21 I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing with partiality.
I noticed this scripture and was wondering about it too, is it the second witness to Rev. 19:10? It does not seem like Paul would call the brethren angels, as he doesn't any where else.
I have been searching for other scripture that indicate this, and have not found any.
Has anyone else noticed this before :-\
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
hillsbororiver:
Hi Kat & all,
Reading that verse from the King James seems to imply one thing but reading it from Rotherham's implies something different.
Rev. 19:10 (Rotherham's) And I fell down at his feet, to do him homage; and he saith unto me- See! [thou do it] not! A fellow servant am I of thee and thy brethren who have the witness of Jesus: unto God do homage!
I am reading this as the angel declaring he is a servant of those who witness the testimony of Christ (apostles, elect), not that he is one of them/us although angels are servants of God as well, just in a different capacity.
Since we are the creation that is being formed through the dust (flesh) of the earth we are more closely associated with Christ (flesh & spirit) and His journey than angels who are (only) spirit, we (flesh & spirit) like Christ have the experience of literally dying to the flesh that spiritual beings can only observe (1Peter 1:12), they may indeed have carnality or imperfections burned out of them at judgement but God planned for the eventuality of Sons and Daughters who will be like Christ (1John 3:2). The angels never having experienced this are actually on the outside looking in, presently they are more powerful than the Sons and Daughters of the Kingdom but that will not always be the case.
The elect Son's and Daughters will hold a higher office;
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
My feeling is that the angels are not subject to us (yet) but are subject to the Father and Son, when we come of full age and maturity that will change. Like a servant is not subject to the whims of the child of a master until that child has matured and the Master grants that authority. Until that happens the servant will always act in the best interests of the child according to the instruction of the master.
The Sonship/servant role takes prayerful study and meditation but Christ is, was, will be our example in all things and He filled that dual role perfectly.
His Peace to you,
Joe
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