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Abraham's Sacrifice of Issac - Why?
Sorin:
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--- Quote from: Sorin on March 24, 2007, 04:13:31 PM ---Well then, how can it [now] be wrong to kill anybody from a biblical point of view?
Pro 26:16 The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason.
Pro 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
I mean sure it's illegal, and you will most likely not escape man's justice, but I don't understand how Christians can be against abortion when they used to rip babies out of their mother's wombs in the OT. They can't even use their religion to say that abortion is wrong, since clearly, it isn't in the bible.
Pro 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
Ecc 10:12 The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself.
Rape isn't wrong, cutting off people's hands and feet and hanging them over the pool is not wrong [David] , neighter is killing a man so you can sleep with his wife. And David was a man after God's own heart. Yeah, an evil God. I still don't understand why Kain was punished for killing Abel, didn't he just do what God later commanded the Zionists to do?
Psa 14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psa 94:11 The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.
Ecc 5:2 Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.
So would I call God a murderer to his face? Seeing that he creates life, and he takes life.... I don't know, but how about, evil?
Psa 41:5 Mine enemies speak evil of me, When shall he die, and his name perish?
Also, the Ten Commandments thou shalt not kill was written in vain, or perhaps, it meant thou shalt not kill.... another Jew only, but who cares about the filthy Gentiles...
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
And you wonder why people don't like the Jews, or their God. Mel Gibson isn't such a bad guy... really, he isn't...............
Jud 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodlylusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Also shall mortal men be more just than God? In this case, I would have to say yes. I would never do any of those vile things.
Deu 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Job 33:12 Behold, in this thou art not just: I will answer thee, that God is greater than man.
Job 33:13 Why dost thou strive against him? for he giveth not account of any of his matters.
Job 33:14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.
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Oh, yeah, like David is one to talk. Atleast I never killed anybody to sleep with his wife, nor have I cut off anybody's hands and feet and hung them from trees. ::)
YellowStone:
Sorin,
I cannot even imagine the hidden message behind God's words. The meaning is of course, not for me to know at this time. All I can say, is that I am not aware of any such words of rape anywhere following the life of Christ. ( I might be wrong )
Perhaps Kat or one of the more enlightened amongst us here can give meaning to your post.
It is biblical text's like this that open my heart, spirit and mind up to the words of Paul in Romans 1:20.
Everything we need to know of God has been made available in creation so that we have no excuse. It's a very good thing that no one in the bible by the will of God, wrote: "the Scriptures contain everything you need to learn of God so that YOU have no excuse!!!"
This was never written, and I wonder why? :) My puny little mind cannot get around some of the simplest poertions of the Bible fully. :)
Very interesting Post and I look forward to hearing some of the more enlighning responses.
Your brother in Christ,
Darren
Sorin:
Seeker, you make a valid point about the killings of the wicked ones. But it's the forcible rapes and slavery that is unjustifiable in the bible.
eggi:
Sorin,
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. (1Co 10:11 KJV)
It happened to them for ensamples, for our admonition (not because they were the right thing to do or because God says it's right to rape (do you really believe that?)):
Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols. Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; (Eze 20:24-25 KJV)
And finally, God sees the beginning AND the end, and all will be balanced because God is JUST:
For thus saith the LORD; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them. (Jer 32:42 KJV)
Kat:
Sorin, you are bent on bringing out every evil you can find in the OT and there are many as you have shown some of them.
Nobody is going to deny that there was every evil imaginable, since the creation of the world.
Where we differ I believe, is that you desire to accuse God as being wrong and unjust for not putting an end to it.
Well since He is the cause of all things, and this is His plan for this part of the development of His creation and there have already been many scriptures that show this is all of God. What do you hope to accomplish by continually blaming God.
You don't like the way He is doing things, OK. But at least you know the Truth of the matter, that it is a for a grand purpose, that's more than most know.
All I can say is you need to move your focus to something less negative, you should have proved to yourself well enough by now, that there is a lot of evil that was done in this world, and you can't change anything. Try looking into scripture that show the mercy and goodness of God for a change.
I just can't see any point in your continuing to bring this subject up, if you are trying to sway us from our love of God, it's not going to work.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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