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Are there any other Proofs about Christ and other Bible matters other than Bible
Michele:
I am on a quest for the Truth. After being married to a complete athiest for nearly 20 years, and now a mother, I feel i have the responcibility to find out answers to so many questions about Jesus/God/the Bible etc....and I haven't the knowledge, only the Hope. I realize that the whole of my "christianity" is based on Hope/Faith and the way I was raised. And so as not appear as something I am not, there are days when I ask God "Are you there God/Jesus? Is all of this True?" and then I feel utter guilt. I truly pray to God nearly obsessively. I ask Him to forgive me for not KNOWING that he is there. Does that make me horrible? Does everyone else here but me KNOW without any doubt ever whatsoever that God IS everthing I Hope He is?
This world is so packed full of Anti-God sentiment....I guess that's ok because God's got it all under control, yes? and we cannot surprise Him.
Every search I go on leads me to these people who are different than me in faith/hope...they either all say either God and Jesus /dead/non-existent/false/Myths OR the flipside of that coin is the others who preach vehemently about how everyone but them who Choose to believe are going to burn in hell for all eternity! The non-believers (and they seem to be a majority to me) are all saying the bible is a myth, and that God and JEsus are nothing more than more "gods" such as all the other "gods" of old greek myths.....and that Jesus was a real person but just a historical nut with a lot of kooky beliefs about himself.
I don't believe this and yet I have not a good answer as to why...and that's just not good enough!
I believe most days because I Want to belive and that's just not good enough! Especially when I have a child to raise. I can't say "Well honey I believe this cause it feels good to believe it!
So what can I do?
This is the only place that I feel comfortable and happy and feel like I"m hearing what feels like the truth to me.
I have learned/am learning that GOD Drags us to Him...and not You choose Him......YES?
So, I've been told by Ray and others that my job is to just learn/teach in the course of things to teach my child about God/Jesus...but with all the questions going round my head and also questions that all the athiests of the world ask (including those in my immediate family) that I have no good answers for...I am wondering if i need to find some "proofs" or as many proofs as actually exist in this world.
So are there any "Proofs" of the historical accuracy of the bible stories?
Archeological digs/scientific findings/ anything?
Seems like there ought to be something that would qualify?
I feel like I'd be fighting a losing battle trying to convince the athiest members of my extended family about my beliefs...and other "Christians" have caused probably millions upon millions of people to try very hard to disprove God/JEsus/bible ....because of their misunderstandings of scriptures.... It's just so hard.
I"ve come (or rather God's lead me) to the belief that my goal in life is not to convince others as much as it is to find the Answers for Myself and my own peace of mind and to find confidence on my own personal walk with God...and that's something that might make an impression on others...if God wills it.
If anybody knows of any serious books on the historical accuracy of the Bible scriptures...I'd be pleased to know them.
Thank you,
Michele
Redbird:
Good Morning Michelle,
When reading your post, I couldn't help but think of Thomas~
John 20:29-31
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not wriitten in this book:
But these are written, that ye might believe that JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
My prayers are with you,
Lisa
psalmsinger:
There are historical books that do mention Christ. The Archco Volume, Josephus, a letter supposedly written by Pontius Pilate describing Jesus, are some that I can think of from the secular viewpoint. However, if the Lord God Almighty doesn't touch the heart and convince a person in the spirit, words written by man would do absolutely no good. Men are very good at convincing others who think only in the flesh through books, artists, music, movies, of their own vile doctrines that have nothing to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ. Do a quick google search of these titles and you might find excerpts.
May God increase your faith,
Barbara
andrevan:
Hi Michelle
When it comes to the Holy Scriptures, the one test that proves it is not just made-up bedtime stories, is prophecy. There is no way that the prophecies of the Scriptures could be fulfilled against the massive mathematical odds, except by Divine intervention. That's a mathematical fact.
Also there are about two thousand New Testament manuscripts that are in remarkable agreement.
Secondly, Jesus is mentioned in documents outside of the Scriptures:
1. References to Jesus in the Jewish Talmud. The Tannaitic Period mentions the hanging (on a cross) of "Yeshu the Nazarene."
The miracles of Jesus and key historical facts are confirmed in the Jewish Talmud by the very people bent on stopping Him.
2. References to Jesus by the Jewish historian Josephus.
3. References to Jesus by the historian Tacitus.
4. Reference to Jesus by the historian Pliny the Younger.
5. References to Jesus by the historian Suetonius.
6. Reference to Jesus by the historian Phlegon.
7. Reference to Jesus by Lucian of Samosata.
Remember that it is by faith that we believe in God and His Son, not by sight or physical proof/evidence, although it is there if one digs a bit. Without faith it is impossible to please God.
It is also God that gives us that faith, it is a gift not given to the ALL in this age. Many (not all) are called, but... few are chosen, in this Age.
Also, you cannot convince anyone of the truth if God is not calling them at this time. It will be like coming up against a brick wall. We offer the truth/facts to them and then leave it to God to do the rest if it is in His will.
Three main areas that helped me get a firm foundation of understanding was: learning about the uniqueness of the Scriptures, the scientific fact that evolutionary mythology/religion is a hoax and Ray's material and how to use the Hebrew and Greek to check for errors in various bible translations.
The truths of God are not for everyone now, but all will come to a full knowledge of the truth in the next age/s to come.
This is all I can think of now, I'm sure others here will be able to help you out more, enjoy your journey for truth.
God's peace be with you. :)
Andrevan.
andrevan:
Hi Michelle, me again :D.
One thing atheists do not realise is that they are just as religious as anyone else. Their religion is called Naturalism, "everything made itself by natural non-intelligent chance".
They have to believe this by faith, perhaps more faith than us, as there is no hard scientific evidence for their "everything made itself by natural chance". Everyone has a belief in their origins, but most probably are not even aware of this. Atheists worship "Mother Earth", they worship the creation instead of the Creator ;D.
Ray explains the unscientific and ridiculous fable of evolution in his latest audio bible study (March). If life came about by UNintelligent random means, then WHY did it do this? How did it "know" to come about or as Ray mentions, how did an organism "know" that it needed an eye, when it didn't "know" that there was such a thing as an eye!
This can be used for all other things that "evolved" out of thin air.
God bless.
Andrevan.
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