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Rene:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on March 29, 2007, 10:17:58 AM ---This process of judgment is a real and gut wrenching experience at times, in my own case I have had old forgotten wrongs I have done in my past become painfully fresh, as if it happened yesterday. Things I had previously justified became glaringly wrong, sinful and evil in my eyes, the time to bitterly repent had/has arrived.
There are times when anger, rage, jealousy, envy, impatience, lust, and all the things I have begun to despise rear their ugly faces and once again I fall, fail and stumble over my flesh.
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Joe,
I understand and agree with your view on this topic. There is much pain in seeing ourselves for who we truly are and what we have been. To come to the point of true repentance is not a pleasant experience. This flesh takes no pleasure in dying. If our hearts and minds are being converted, we are feeling the pain of this experience.
Rene'
Firefly:
Roy...thank you for starting this thread and for everyone that responded. Joe your words were especially encouraging as I have days where I literally hate the way I am. I keep thinking God how much longer am I going to to act like this. I used to think I could change and now I truly believe only God can change me. I get so depressed sometimes because it seems like it is taking so long. I hate the way I act many times (although then I will have a day or two where I think just maybe I am starting to conquer sin but it doesn't last) and just wonder why God takes so long to change us once we come to understand we are the beast, we need to change and only he can change us. Below I pasted a couple verses from Revelation. Does anyone know if this is talking about this such thing...when we cry out to God to please kill the beast and come take His rightful place on our throne? If it doesn't does anyone know what it is referring to. Thanks again for posting this...I know it doesn't shorten these days but it just helps knowing others understand and have been through the same things. Lori :o)
9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. Rev 6:9-11
YellowStone:
Lori, my dear sister :) I think you are being way to hard on yourself. (This is my understanding as given to me)
You said:
I have days where I literally hate the way I am. I keep thinking God how much longer am I going to to act like this. I used to think I could change and now I truly believe only God can change me. I get so depressed sometimes because it seems like it is taking so long. I hate the way I act many times (although then I will have a day or two where I think just maybe I am starting to conquer sin but it doesn't last) and just wonder why God takes so long to change us once we come to understand we are the beast, we need to change and only he can change us.
The way I see it, is that God brings us out of the darkness and into the light. Not for us to become perfect, but for us to see "us" for who we really are. God has opened our eyes to see some things we could never see before. Often, they are not pretty. However, first step in change something is the acknowledging the need for change. :)
God I believe has done his part. We know how Satan works, just as we know the carnal nature of our own hearts. This I believe has to be accepted, even Paul said: That what I do not want to do, I do! We are not going to conquer sin, to do so would be to achieve perfection and this is not yet for us. Knowing and accepting that we are going to sin, is not cause for concern; rather it is the first step in doing something about it. :)
God wants us to "see" sin, so that we can avoid its consequences. We will always have Satan urging us to take a bite of that apple, but we KNOW that God is with us, that his armor will protect us.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Lori, I really believe that God has equipped us to handle sin, to control our temper and curb our emotions. Sometimes with Gods help, we are almost invincible, while at other times we are almost strangers to ourselves. This is Satan working our canal soul; just because he leads us away, we need only ask God for help and know that it will come. With that knowledge, we can turn ourselves around; we can calm the anger; quell the loud mouth and find peace in chaos. We need never wait for God, for he is always waiting for us. :)
We are only the beast while ever we fight God; God created us in his image and he wants us to shed the beast and its ways. We will never completely lose the beast, but it need not be the one in control.
Life does not need to be a struggle, for God is with us always :)
Psa 23:1 The LORD [is] my shepherd; I shall not want.
Psa 23:2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
Psa 23:3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Psa 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Psa 23:5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Psa 23:6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
Love in Christ,
Darren
hebrewroots98:
Dearest Lori
I agree with Joe, you ARE being too hard on yourself; plus that (self hatered) can be a tactic that satan uses on all of us at times. You and I have spoken and I know that you have a BEAUTIFUL HEART!!! You have a very conscientious spirit and you try very hard to put others above yourself; that is a gift of humility! I do know that alot of times that we all suffer because we are lonely for daily fellowship with those of like mind and we just cant seem to have them in the flesh around us when we need them; we are scattered abroad and that hurts. Darren posted some excellent scriptures for you to contemplate.
I hope to talk to ya soon Lori!!! You are thought of alot more than I call you (for sure!) You are missed ;)
DWIGHT:
Hi all,
So much wisdom in these posts. I've learned more from your posts and Ray's writings in these last few months than I did in fifty years of Christianity. I'm not blaming Christianity, but rather thank God for it. If God had not left them, we would not be here. Just like Israel's blindness led to the salvation of the Gentiles.
For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant of this mystery, lest ye be wise in your own conceits, that a hardening in part hath befallen Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. Rom. 11:25
Seems that every evil thing that the enemy can throw at us, God turns it into good. It never feels good to go through the rough times though, I don't care what anybody says. We've all had days where we wished we'd never gotten out of bed. In fact, I've had weeks like that. Why God? But when God finally brings me through, there is a peace that cannot be explained.
Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Lori, I think you answered your own question. You said, I hate the way I act many times (although then I will have a day or two where I think maybe I am starting to conquer sin but it doesn't last) and just wonder why God takes so long to change us once we come to understand we are the beast....this beast in us, is much more powerful than we think...
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them...Rev. 13:7
This beast in us can and will defeat us if we let him. But greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world (our flesh).
You asked about those seals; we have to go through each one in our lifetime, they're all for our us. And Christ is the one who opens each one as we can bear it.
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Rev. 5:9-10
When Christ opened the fifth seal, John saw all those souls that had been slain for the word of God. We are being slain now...this is judgment day for us...God is beheading the beast in us as we speak. This is not in the future....Jesus is, was and will be, and he that endures to the end will be saved. Like Darren says, we will never completely lose the beast...until the end.
In Him,
Dwight
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