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Revelation of hell by seven youths.

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andrevan:
Dwight, that was an interesting point you made. Say the 10 second pray, then sit back and relax, stay where you are.

Kat, I smiled when i read those verses you posted, I have been thinking about them this week, the "strong delusion", "signs and wonders", etc. I have on a couple of occasions completely befuddled a Christian by declaring that physical hell and physical flames are not the destiny of most of humanity, they just looked at me as though I'd lost it  ;D.
They get annoyed because I've confused them, I get to see that veil over their eyes first hand, they cannot see thru it, but this is God's plan in progress and until that veil is lifted they will never believe the Scriptures that point to God being all in all.

Dave, I agree. Also, many Christians obviously don't think deeply about hell (that was me), and really wish no one would go there, the others are glad it exists and want people to go there. I've heard a sermon by one preacher, Paul Washer, this poor man has a real love for God's people and pleads with them to repent. He is sincere but to the point, actually he has no fear rebuking whole congregations. What drives him is his genuine belief in hell fire. God works out His plan in many ways it appears.

Gastonmross, you made some good points. I forgot how important the church building is, the one I've left has just completed their AUS$1.5million renovations, and their grand re-opening is this Good Friday. Yes, they took out a mortgage which is now the responsibility of the whole congregation... let the serious tithing begin! They had a 365 salvations drive last year (one/day) to get the numbers up and many tithing sermons. Funny thing is, the church never grew by 365 people! Where did they all go?

It has been helpful for me to share this here, I'm learning through it  :D. Thanks for all your comments  :).

God's peace to you all.
Andrevan.

hebrewroots98:
Andre,
I like the way that you can see humor in some extremely serious issues; that lightens us up some, thanks. :D

Deborah-Leigh:
This is a lovely thread Andrevan!

It is a blessing to see the coming together in like mindedness of the brethren.

Like Kat says, there are people who are sincere about their deceptions. They believe they are right about Hell and Free Will. It is a HUGE blessing to have been told the truth.

I remember I had to repent of tongue speaking. It was embarrassing and convicting to learn the truth that this was an idol of pride in my heart! It was too! Repentance has to follow Chastisement. I felt lousy at learning this fact but by Gods grace, I was set free.

It makes me think. Perhaps there are some who WANT to stay behind the prison bars because that is what they know best and that is where they want to stay instead of taking the stripes for being WRONG and perhaps for being wrong ALL YOUR LIFE! NOW THAT HAS GOT TO HURT! I was tongue speaking for only a year or two but still...the damage to my ego was big!

I believe that each person receives the knock on their hearts from Christ and some turn hard and others open! Of course HE makes some as vessels for His wrath and others as vessels for His honour.

I think we have all paid the price somewhere somehow, to believe in what we are taught here at BT. and it takes an ABSENCE of the presence of idols of the heart and flesh to agree with what GOD says is TRUE and to turn from what Man would teach falsely.

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

andrevan:
Arcturus, I got a little rosy cheeked when you mentioned tongues  ;D. I was so embarrassed before God when I realised what I was doing: babbling away for about a year in an "unknown tongue". I was blushing a little when I repented for my speaking in tongues, and for practising my tongue speaking, how foolish... oh boy it's still embarrassing now  :D. I used to pray to the Holy Spirit as if it was an actual person too. I am just so thankful to God for the truth. I thank you heavenly Father!

What you said about the absence of idols, it is so important to growing spiritually. I need to check myself now and again to see what others may be lurking  :).
Glad I could lighten things up a little for you Susan  :).

God's peace to you all.

TimothyVI:

--- Quote from: Kat on April 03, 2007, 01:05:23 AM ---
The thing is I believe that most of these preachers in the churches are very sincere.  They really believe there is a hell, that people will be tormented there for eternity. 
mercy, peace, and love
Kat



--- End quote ---

Hi Kat,
I have often wondered if this is really true.

The pastor in my church preaches strongly as if he believes in hell.
But when I have talked to him one on one, privately about my lack of belief in burning
forever in a literal hell, he confessed that he is more likely to believe
that God just lets unrepentent sinners cease to exist, rather than make them
suffer for eternity. And yet he preaches what the church doctrine requires.

Tim

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